How do Black women see Kamala Harris? There’s a lot that ‘raises eyebrows,’ one expert says.

[Samori Toure]

Trump is worse than Harris ever could be. I don't like Kamala either but Trump is directly initiating racist policies that will impact black people.

You have a one track mind. You must not have known anything about Biden before he was the VP for Obama, because as a Senator Biden was much worse at initiating racist policies that impacted Black people then Trump has been as President.

Will Black Voters Still Love Biden When They Remember Who He Was?

Will Black Voters Still Love Biden When They Remember Who He Was?

 

[Originalman]

No let’s not downplay it. It plays a factor.

had Obama married a blonde white woman, he doesn’t galvanise the black vote the way he did.

their are fair question marks over both of their ties to the black American majority. Neither are African American. Obama at least has an African American family and wife. a proper brown wife too. Which helps.

Then she’s a cop. A tough on crime cop. One that locked up parents for truancy. It all feeds together.

As I mentioned its just not because michelle is black. Its because she was black and had black connections.

Michelle some regular sista without those connections and obama still in chicago as a community organizer or practicing law or some professor. And not the former president of the USA or former senator of Illinois.

 

[RTF]

As I mentioned its just not because michelle is black. Its because she was black and had black connections.

Michelle some regular sista without those connections and obama still in chicago as a community organizer or practicing law or some professor. And not the former president of the USA or former senator of Illinois.

Agreed. Michelle was perfect in every single way for Obama to become president.

 

[Originalman]

One last thing. People watering down michelle to being the black woman Obama married....are missing the point.

If you ain't acknowledging her accomplishments, her connections, her personality, charisma and her ability to connect with folks. Then you missing everything that makes michelle who she is. Obama marries some other sista and its a good chance she doesn't help get him elected as much as michelle helped Obama get elected.

Second she is a true rock star even as a first lady. The only one who measures in most those attributes was Hillary. However Hillary doesn't have the charisma nor the ability to connect with folks like Michelle and thats why she couldn't win the election in 2016.

One more thing Michelle has so much of a following that the sista could probably run for president and win the democrat nomination.

 

[CHICAGO]

What the hell are you talking about? Posting a picture of a former AKA that went to Hampton stepping/marching is the dumbest way to discredit her blackness.

ITS CALLED PANDERING GOOFY.

​

 

[Originalman]

Agreed. Michelle was perfect in every single way for Obama to become president.

I think it was a match made in heaven cause they both had the same attributes on a personal level.

No other white house couple had that type of a following. Maybe JFK and his wife.

 

[RTF]

Any cred Kamala got for going to a HBCU she lost by becoming a cop and locking up mothers of truants.

a black husband would help but that’s a tough road.

had she done community work for black people with a white husband, things would look better for her in the black community.

 

[DrBanneker]

If this is not your argument than fine.
But what I'm countering is that this means nothing in the grand scheme of things when you don't consider their foundations.

When I look at Obama vs. Kamala this is what I see...

Vs.

Based off of their backgrounds, to me, Barack's marriage to Michelle seems to have been pure luck. Because his background had him on track to marry a white woman.

And If Kamala's marriage disqualifies her in many people's eyes, fine I get that. But to make the argument that it makes her culturally inauthentic, you have to explain this....

Actually, I think she had stronger ties to the AA community than Obama at the same ages. Even though Maya didn't go to a HBCU and her BD is White, she married a Black man.

And that is part of the cause for my concern. Years ago, I met this guy who knew Kamala and Maya when she was still a small fry inn Willie's administration in SF and Maya just got out of law school and was marrying her husband she met there. He spoke highly of them then and they aligned pretty much with the Black political establishment and community. I think he would have been surprised if Kamala had not married some rich Boule-type brother in the Bay. I know you are going to say the Black elite/establishment backs her now, more than ever, etc. but I am not sure how much faith I put in that.

Like @Elle Driver said, for someone who knows the Black experience like she does, it should not be that hard to relate to us. In fact, it should have been a slam dunk with her eyes closed. From what I heard, the Kamala of the pre-DA days would have basically not attracted "is she really Black" questions any more than say, Melissa Harris-Perry.

Between her getting dumped by Willie (basically he wouldn't leave his wife), becoming a DA in SF, maybe (highly speculative) her mother's passing, and then rising to political stardom, I think she took the all too typical route of making sure she sheds any overly ethnic mannerisms or associations to appeal to her new base and electorate.

(Kamala back then)

Already in her first election she campaigned on a sort of law & order platform. She first ran for SF DA knocking the incumbent (Hallinan) for having a conviction rate that was too low

Harris criticized Hallinan during the campaign for being overly political and for posting one of the lowest conviction rates in the state. Hallinan answered by pointing out that the violent crime rate in San Francisco had dropped sharply during his tenure.

Hallinan pointed out that Harris had violated a voluntary campaign spending cap after promising to abide by it. He also painted Harris as indebted to her onetime boyfriend and political sponsor, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown. She called the charge ridiculous, and promised, if elected, to start a "public integrity" unit that would focus on city government corruption

...

Hallinan finished first in last month's general election, but Harris nosed into second place past Fazio to make the runoff. That presented Hallinan with a difficult challenge in his bid for a third term, because he and Harris share a progressive approach to prosecuting criminals.

Both candidates supported medical marijuana, opposed the death penalty and said juvenile suspects should be steered away from adult courts in all but the most serious cases.

As a result, the runoff race was framed not around ideology, but around Hallinan's performance as "America's most progressive district attorney."

Harris cited Hallinan's low conviction rates in felony cases as proof that he ran an inefficient office, didn't train prosecutors well and failed to track cases adequately. Hallinan won convictions in 52 percent of the felony cases he filed in 2001, according to the latest figures from the California Department of Justice. The statewide average was 83 percent.

Hallinan countered that his own tally showed conviction rates of more than 80 percent for such categories as homicide, sexual assault and domestic violence. He said the state figures did not take into account sloppy police work and liberal San Francisco juries and were affected by rehabilitative diversion programs that lowered the city's overall crime rate.

....

How did the bolded work out in her career?

Sure she probably chops it up with the Links, Jarrett, or whoever and maybe hits up Martha's Vineyard.

I think at a certain point she had a choice of being seen as Black and getting ahead and she chose the latter. Now she is so comfortable in that role, turning back to her roots seems phony. So in the end, when the pressure is on and the stakes or high, who she going to fight for?

 

[Voice of Reason]

Actually, I think she had stronger ties to the AA community than Obama at the same ages. Even though Maya didn't go to a HBCU and her BD is White, she married a Black man.

And that is part of the cause for my concern. Years ago, I met this guy who knew Kamala and Maya when she was still a small fry inn Willie's administration in SF and Maya just got out of law school and was marrying her husband she met there. He spoke highly of them then and they aligned pretty much with the Black political establishment and community. I think he would have been surprised if Kamala had not married some rich Boule-type brother in the Bay. I know you are going to say the Black elite/establishment backs her now, more than ever, etc. but I am not sure how much faith I put in that.

Like @Elle Driver said, for someone who knows the Black experience like she does, it should not be that hard to relate to us. In fact, it should have been a slam dunk with her eyes closed. From what I heard, the Kamala of the pre-DA days would have basically not attracted "is she really Black" questions any more than say, Melissa Harris-Perry.

Between her getting dumped by Willie (basically he wouldn't leave his wife), becoming a DA in SF, maybe (highly speculative) her mother's passing, and then rising to political stardom, I think she took the all too typical route of making sure she sheds any overly ethnic mannerisms or associations to appeal to her new base and electorate.

Already in her first election she campaigned on a sort of law & order platform. She first ran for SF DA knocking the incumbent (Hallinan) for having a conviction rate that was too low



How did the bolded work out in her career?

Sure she probably chops it up with the Links, Jarrett, or whoever and maybe hits up Martha's Vineyard.

I think at a certain point she had a choice of being seen as Black and getting ahead and she chose the latter. Now she is so comfortable in that role, turning back to her roots seems phony. So in the end, when the pressure is on and the stakes or high, who she going to fight for?

This a very well reasoned and well thought out comment. Rep

 

[DrBanneker]

I wanna see Kamala in some small lingerie

Here's some prime Kamala for you

 

[Ziggiy]

All of this “whose blacker” between Obama and Kamala is kind of stupid isn’t it? At the end of the day Kamala Harris has made it VERY clear that she doesn’t give a fukk about black people. Whether she attended an HBCU or not, she’s not “in it” to further any black agenda.


Barack’s situation is irrelevant, as he’s a FORMER President. His time is over. Biden and Harris’s time is now because lord knows Trump gotta get the fukk outta here. But given both Biden and Kamala’s track records and history its pretty safe to assume that as black Americans we are merely being lifted out of the fire and placed into the frying pan

 

[Originalman]

Actually, I think she had stronger ties to the AA community than Obama at the same ages. Even though Maya didn't go to a HBCU and her BD is White, she married a Black man.

And that is part of the cause for my concern. Years ago, I met this guy who knew Kamala and Maya when she was still a small fry inn Willie's administration in SF and Maya just got out of law school and was marrying her husband she met there. He spoke highly of them then and they aligned pretty much with the Black political establishment and community. I think he would have been surprised if Kamala had not married some rich Boule-type brother in the Bay. I know you are going to say the Black elite/establishment backs her now, more than ever, etc. but I am not sure how much faith I put in that.

Like @Elle Driver said, for someone who knows the Black experience like she does, it should not be that hard to relate to us. In fact, it should have been a slam dunk with her eyes closed. From what I heard, the Kamala of the pre-DA days would have basically not attracted "is she really Black" questions any more than say, Melissa Harris-Perry.

Between her getting dumped by Willie (basically he wouldn't leave his wife), becoming a DA in SF, maybe (highly speculative) her mother's passing, and then rising to political stardom, I think she took the all too typical route of making sure she sheds any overly ethnic mannerisms or associations to appeal to her new base and electorate.

(Kamala back then)

Already in her first election she campaigned on a sort of law & order platform. She first ran for SF DA knocking the incumbent (Hallinan) for having a conviction rate that was too low



How did the bolded work out in her career?

Sure she probably chops it up with the Links, Jarrett, or whoever and maybe hits up Martha's Vineyard.

I think at a certain point she had a choice of being seen as Black and getting ahead and she chose the latter. Now she is so comfortable in that role, turning back to her roots seems phony. So in the end, when the pressure is on and the stakes or high, who she going to fight for?

Yeah I have read online that maya supposedly is suppose to be more down than Kamala if you catch my drift. Always thought maya was the prettiest between the two.

Also noticed that maya's daughter meena (who you mentioned has a white father) is married to a black man.

Was maya married to meena's father? Based on when Maya married her black husband 1998 it seems as though he helped raise meena.

 

[Samori Toure]

Exactly these folks are straight up white supremacist that refuse to say Black Lives Matter

Oh my goodness. Y'all dudes must be really young or really stupid or both. Biden was a protege of Mississippi Senator James Eastland on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Eastland said that Black people were an inferior race on numerous occasions and he taught Biden everything he knew about locking up Black people and blocking them from getting educated, which Biden carried out for decades in the Senate as the head of the judiciary committee.


Meet James Eastland, the Senator Joe Biden Keeps Waxing Nostalgic About
By MATTHEW DESSEM
JUNE 19, 2019 2:08 AM

Joe Biden, speaking at a fundraiser in New York on Tuesday night, fondly remembered the days he served in the Senate with James O. Eastland, a white supremacist Democrat from Mississippi. The New York Times has this extraordinary description of his remarks:

“I was in a caucus with James O. Eastland,” Mr. Biden said, slipping briefly into a Southern accent, according to a pool report from the fund-raiser. “He never called me ‘boy,’ he always called me ‘son.’ ”

It’s not the first time Biden’s ties to Eastland, a man who called the ruling in Brown v. Board of Education a “monstrous crime,” have drawn scrutiny. As CNN has reported, as a young senator, Biden tried to enlist Eastland’s help in his fight to prevent busing in school desegregation. He also had this to say at a Doug Jones rally in 2017:

I’ve been around so long, I worked with James Eastland. Even in the days when I got there, the Democratic Party still had seven or eight old-fashioned Democratic segregationists. You’d get up and you’d argue like the devil with them. Then you’d go down and have lunch or dinner together. The political system worked. We were divided on issues, but the political system worked.

Well, as long as we’re talking about the way things used to get done in the Senate, there’s no reason to settle for Joe Biden’s imitation of Eastland’s Southern drawl: The man can speak for himself just fine. Here’s the senator explaining his thoughts and political positions in great detail on The Mike Wallace Interview on July 28, 1957. It’s great television, but it probably won’t make you feel very nostalgic about James Eastland:

Mike Wallace Interview with Senator James Eastland | C-SPAN.org

Positively Trumpian! As anyone who’s read the Confederate declarations of secession knows, it is always instructive to compare the way people are remembered after their deaths with the way they chose to behave and present themselves while they were living. Here’s Biden on Tuesday, lamenting what he thinks has been lost since Eastland’s day:

At least there was some civility. We got things done. We didn’t agree on much of anything. We got things done. We got it finished. But today, you look at the other side and you’re the enemy. Not the opposition, the enemy. We don’t talk to each other anymore.

Eastland may not have been Joe Biden’s enemy, but that’s sort of the problem, because he was definitely an enemy to his black constituents. But it’s not Biden’s fault he sees politics the way he does: As Mike Wallace’s wrap-up shows, by midcentury the media was already carefully packaging everything as a noble but ultimately consequence-free debate between Giants of the Senate.

Sen. James Eastland of Mississippi speaks for a vast part of the white South on the race issue. In the North, senators with equal conviction speak their lines. Somewhere between these two poles, a comp—

I can’t tell if the video cuts off when Wallace suggests a centrist compromise is obviously the answer to questions like “Should black people be allowed to vote?” or if I keep having a minor stroke whenever I watch it. Anyway, that’s James Eastland. Joe Biden misses having dinner with him.

Meet James O. Eastland, the Senator Joe Biden Keeps Waxing Nostalgic About

 

[Voice of Reason]

90% of white men of Biden's age are racist. Trump is trying to enforce racist policies in 2020. I personally don't believe that Biden could get away with the racist policies that he championed in the past as apart of the Democratic Party in 2020. I have to make the pragmatic vote

 

[saturn7]

No let’s not downplay it. It plays a factor.

had Obama married a blonde white woman, he doesn’t galvanise the black vote the way he did.

their are fair question marks over both of their ties to the black American majority. Neither are African American. Obama at least has an African American family and wife. a proper brown wife too. Which helps.

Then she’s a cop. A tough on crime cop. One that locked up parents for truancy. It all feeds together.

I just don't want people to overlook her track record due to her white husband.
Even last year when her campaign stalled the shea buttas in the media were running with the whole "black men hated on her because of her husband and they hate strong black women".