US has millions of Spanish speakers.....then how does one explain how big reggaeton was even though it was in spanish?
How did African Americans become the "coolest" race in the world?
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IllmaticDelta
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As you can see, a common theme is Afram influence(s) being found everywhere else and not the other way around and then you have various influences who, themselves are afram influenced so many times unless you know what you're looking for, you might not spot the Afram influence right away.
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Where are all these reggaetoneros now? ThT shyt was just a fad for English speakerslatin americans don't buy albums/singles enough to achieve platinum or even gold status
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true but still, let's be real, Jamaican Dancehall fans were salty as fuk those few years when Reggaeton blew up bigger than Dancehall. White people were rocking to it even though they didn't understand a word. They even had a reggaeton kidz bop album that I never saw done for dancehall
even had phone commercials
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I get the frustration
Breaking into the US market is the goal of nearly every dancehall artist
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Nothing wrong with thatthat's where that reggae fusion style that Shaggy uses comes to good use
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mbewane
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Zouk's roots graph (bigger version)
The graph (and the text) clearly states that Africa and Europe are at the basis of this system, which in this case applies to zouk, but don't see why the influences would be different for other genres.
If you think about it, Aframs are coming from Africans (so there's the African influence on them) and being forced to evolve in a Euro-dominated society, also by using their instruments, machines, and language. So it makes sense that these elements being used by Aframs were easily re-exportable to Europe and Africa, since the roots were there.
Full circle I guess
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@IllmaticDelta did you study music or something or is it "just" digging on the net and whatnot? I followed this seminar two years ago precisely on cross-influences between Africa, North Africa and the Caribbean and it was fascinating, but takes a lot of time to look up all that
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it shows africa and europe because all new world blacks are creole cultures as the starting point with the actual full blown and distinct genres born being within said ethnic groups to the point that they aren't african or european but AMERICAN. So for example, Jazz stylistically was born inbetween old Europe and old africa but it's wholly AfricanAmerican to the point there exists no music like it in other said places (before appropriation, that is)
and the styles and ideas of this style clearly standout when absorbed and appropriated in other cultures and musics.
Zouk is different because it's based on more recent and clearly defined styles that allows you to pick out those influences whether it's Funk, jazz, salsa etc...
^^see my post from above.
Full circle I guess
yes and no. yes because people in the Americans are creolized cultures and no because you will not find full genres native to europe or africa that sound like what came out of the many genres of the Americas.
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I agree : since the genres born in the Americas have roots in Africa and Europe, of course whatever native sound from eslewhere won't sound the same : not in Africa because you don't have the European influence as much, not in Europe because you don't have the African influence as much. The Americas (North and South) provided the "perfect" mix of both influences imo, which also explains why American (North and South) music is so big in Africa and Europe, but that seems to be less the case in Asia or in the Middle-East (expect for the big pop names and now HH). Makes sense, since American music is less influenced by Asian and ME music.