How did African Americans become the "coolest" race in the world?

[Indiglow Meta (R$G)]

Nope, gonna check him out...if you want to check some other ones:

Everydayz
Nxxxxs
Skence
Stwo (co-produced a track on Drake album I think)
Dtweezer

 

[Aceofspades404]

There's someone I want to tag in this thread to instigate @Holy Berry but I'm not going to be messy.

@Poitier and him went in on one another in your ChiefQueen thread though .

Why you keep tryna drag me back in? I avoided this thread for a reason

 

[Poitier]

im talking in general not just afropop
For example shakira would not be as big if she didn't release English language music
It even affects dancehall artists that primarily deejay in patois

Of course you need to speak English in a Western market to sell. There are a billion Africans...only need a fraction of that to speak English to be of comparable size to the American population and have a decent output musically for Western markets. The bigger issue is the vast majority of the music is not contemporary in America and the accented English whether it be patois or pidgin caps the audience as can be said with mumble rap.

And all AA music isn't lyric based. Can't use language to explain why Jazz or Electronic dance music became global phenomena.

 

[BigMan]

Of course you need to speak English in a Western market to sell. There are a billion Africans...only need a fraction of that to speak English to be of comparable size to the American population and have a decent output musically for Western markets. The bigger issue is the vast majority of the music is not contemporary in America and the accented English whether it be patois or pidgin caps the audience as can be said with mumble rap.

And all AA music isn't lyric based. Can't use language to explain why Jazz or Electronic dance music became global phenomena.

Mumble rap is not as popular as the media says it is tbh

I was thinking more of music today. Unfortunately EDM is not recognized by most people (including blacks ) as AA music

 

[iBrowse]

Why you keep tryna drag me back in? I avoided this thread for a reason

My bad lemme go answer those questions .

And my quoting ability was good considering that it was via my phone .

 

[Premeditated]

That's ALL I thought this thread was going to be about. Fam I honestly had no idea it would have gone the route it did. I had no idea that this would have been the place to pontificate what the evil Jews are doing and what we should and shouldn't own and how its just a Pyrrhic victory and how Jamaica actually created hip hop .

I deadass thought this was going to be a lighthearted thread .

nah breh, op knew what he was doing by making this thread

he knew this thread was going to deliver some fukkery. when I read the thread title and saw the op's name, I made sure to save some time.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Whether one wants to admit or not, Aframs are the ones who carried the torch for the global afro world and became the most accomplished and influential...even Marcus Garvey was aware of this

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For non-blacks, Aframs invented the modern concept of "cool"

Ronald Perry writes that many words and expressions have passed from African-American Vernacular English into Standard English slang including the contemporary meaning of the word "cool."[19] The definition, as something fashionable, is said to have been popularized in jazz circles by tenor saxophonist Lester Young.[20] This predominantly black jazz scene in the U.S. and among expatriate musicians in Paris helped popularize notions of cool in the U.S. in the 1940s, giving birth to "Bohemian", or beatnik, culture.[8] Shortly thereafter, a style of jazz called cool jazz appeared on the music scene, emphasizing a restrained, laid-back solo style.[21] Notions of cool as an expression of centeredness in a Taoist sense, equilibrium and self-possession, of an absence of conflict are commonly understood in both African and African-American contexts well. Expressions such as, "Don't let it blow your cool," later, chill out, and the use of chill as a characterization of inner contentment or restful repose all have their origins in African-American Vernacular English.[22]

When the air in the smoke-filled nightclubs of that era became unbreathable, windows and doors were opened to allow some "cool air" in from the outside to help clear away the suffocating air. By analogy, the slow and smooth jazz style that was typical for that late-night scene came to be called "cool".[23]

The purpose of the cool jazz as Giogia stated, "The goal was always the same: to lower the temperature of the music and bring out different qualities in jazz." [24]

Marlene Kim Connor connects cool and the post-war African-American experience in her book What is Cool?: Understanding Black Manhood in America. Connor writes that cool is the silent and knowing rejection of racist oppression, a self-dignified expression of masculinity developed by black men denied mainstream expressions of manhood. She writes that mainstream perception of cool is narrow and distorted, with cool often perceived merely as style or arrogance, rather than a way to achieve respect.[25]

Designer Christian Lacroix has said that "...the history of cool in America is the history of African-American culture".[26]

we always been but 90s gangsta rap started the wigger epidemic...there is no debating it. they tried to be like us b4 but after that it was legions of them

no it didn't...

 

[IllmaticDelta]

The AA influence worldwide is huge, but it's not everything tho : it's still mostly limited to other Blacks (and def not all of them) and to some White people who are "down". After the big names like 2pac, Beyoncé or Kanye, the influence is much less important. People might LISTEN to a lot of AA music, but that's where the "influence" stops. So yeah a random white French guy will know Beyoncé, Drake and YT, but he will still dress/talk/live like any other random white French guy. Might just throw a dab out of nowhere here and there lol. In Europe Tv Shows/Hollywood have more influence than AA music nowadays imo. It had more influence in the 80s and 90s I think, even though it's ironically much more mainstream now, go figure. AA music is close to that rock/pop area now, in the sense that it's not much more than music, no longer a "culture". Most people listen to Drake like they listen to Lady Gaga. Where I do see a rising influence is in the arts, graffiti/street art is HUGE in Europe now and in dance, where breakdance is now routinely integrated in "mainstream" shows. Ironically, those are two aspects of HH that seem to have been all but abandonned by HH, from what I can see from afar.

It's much bigger than that and older. Even the music's that one thinks is wholly local is Afram influenced. The entire world of "White Rock" was birthed out of Afram music. There would be no British Invasion without Afram music. You can go to what one thinks is indegenous African music and you will find the Afram roots/influences in popular genres such as

afrobeat
afrobeatz
soukous
highlife
marabi

...Go to Asia.....all that K-Pop/J-pop? Afram influenced....Jamaica? A country that listened and watched Afram music like no other to form their musical styles.

 

[Samori Toure]

Im hearing this invented this and that in regards to musical artforms started by Afram's...

So we gone pretend that wasnt influenced by European traditions also

but yall got it

I don't even know many Europeans that think that Europeans had any impact on Afram music. Mali and Congo definitely had an impact on Afram music, but not very much by Europeans. Even Country music that White people love so much is actually an African form of music. The Banjo was brought to the USA by the people from the Kingdom of Mali.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Please expound on the huge impact AA culture has on Nigerian, Jamaican & SA culture. Specifically Nigerian, thanks.

Edit: On 2nd thoughts, ignore this Poitier, not interested in your quasi supremacist rhetoric

here is a broad range of influences talked about below in those 3 areas/nations






“It was incredible how my head was turned,” Kuti told the New York Times in 1987. “Everything fell into place. For the first time, I saw the essence of blackism. It’s crazy; in the States people think the black power movement drew inspiration from Africa. All these Americans come over here looking for awareness, they don’t realize they’re the ones who’ve got it over there. We were even ashamed to go around in national dress until we saw pictures of blacks wearing dashikis on 125th street.”

>Fela Kuti and traditional African religion

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[IllmaticDelta]

cont..

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[IllmaticDelta]

im talking in general not just afropop
For example shakira would not be as big if she didn't release English language music
It even affects dancehall artists that primarily deejay in patois

.....then how does one explain how big reggaeton was even though it was in spanish?

 

[Poitier]

Illmatic is a national treasure

 

[Rollo Goodlove]

you kno what i mean citch

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Who knows. It probably started with the harlem renaissance though. Hip hop is just the latest wave though. (But we'll probably be handing over the keys to that in about 15 years )

It started in the 1800s when white people took interest in the slave instrument known as the banjo....and then minstrel music/show was born

The Old Plantation is an American folk art watercolor likely painted in the late 18th century on a South Carolina plantation.[3][4][5] It is notable for its early date, its credible, non-stereotypical depiction of slaves on the North American mainland, and the fact that the slaves are shown pursuing their own interests. The artist has been identified as South Carolina slaveholder John Rose, and the painting may depict his plantation in what is now Beaufort County.