how could you be against socialism/communism as a black person

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So…what do you think of enver hoxha Josip broz tito? One of the more liberal leaders in the Soviet Union and one of the first to go against the kremlin. My ideal economy would be led by workers councils for each respective industry, with co-ops operating the workplaces.

Edit: Josip broz tito, not hoxha.
I don't know much about Tito or Titoism.
When it comes to Market Socialism (which can only be done properly in form of worker-owned/co-operative enterprises) I don't think it can be used to run a national economy. I think that Market Socialism can only be limited to small to the low end of medium-sized businesses.
 

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Here is a quote that can explain it to you



Syndicalism never called for the abolishment of capital, Syndicalism is large nationwide unions for different industries having true political power without the need to go through political parties and bureaucrats. The unions replace political parties entirely.

Socialism creates more bureaucracy and politicians, in fact bureaucrats and politicians are the lifeblood of Marxism.

Bookchin argues:



The unions not only check and balance the elite and upper management classes, but they check and balance each other. If one union is better performing than another, or one industry is performing better; members of that union/industry are rewarded and high productivity is incentivized, not by an employer but by the union themselves.



My tribe is actually one of the few real life syndicalism success stories, it’s was a tool used to obtain independence from Britain by making colonialism too expensive to make sense. But it was never a driven by a worker’s revolution fantasy, it was driven by a bunch of Igbo men wanting to bring more money home to their families.

But all this could have been avoid by distinguishing Marxism/Leninism/Communism from general socialist ideas.

Are you a Marxist?

No, I don’t really have an ideology. But if I had to for the sake of being concise, I would be more aligned with anarchists and left-communists. I first entered into leftist politics as an anarchist and through the writings of kropotkin, Goldman, Bakunin, etc. From there I began leaning into Marxism and Lenin, plekhanov, and others.

As for your argument, Lenin called for a vanguard of professional revolutionaries that could direct the proletariat and install a revolutionary government. Of course this is not congruent with syndicalism, in that the unions direct the spheres of economic and political life. But it is still a current of socialist thought and praxis.

As I said earlier, I’m a member of the IWW, which is a syndicalist union.
 

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So you really think that society can exist without leaders and more importantly criminals?

Exactly think you can change 12,000 years of human nature with a couple of changes in laws brehs

Danilov told them:



The only way communism kind of works is if you're talking about a hunter gatherer society. once farming happened inequality begun and women moved accordingly:



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Bad news for anyone who touts the idea that our ancient ancestors had it all figured out: Scientists have discovered evidence that, during the Stone Age, only one man passed on his DNA for every 17 women. That’s right, guys. Living like our ancient ancestors means having as little as a 1-in-17 shot of reliably getting laid.
Danielle Paquette at the Washington Post explains:






(“More to offer” is one way to think about it, but the cynic in me wonders how much choice women could really exercise in societies that were so strictly patriarchal that a few wealthy men shut all the other men out of the sexual marketplace so effectively.)
In short, the research suggests that the men who managed to have the most babies—whose babies managed to survive to adulthood and have more babies and pass their genes down to the present day—were the ones who were really good at agriculture. It’s worth noting that most evolutionary psychology proponents (or “paleofantasists” as biologist Marlene Zuk calls them) imagine that the “true” nature of humans developed during our pre-agricultural, hunter-gatherer phase. It’s difficult to imagine that true human nature is found in the heart of the caveman, when it’s likely that a few successful early farmers just crushed the competition in the genetic lottery.
The real takeaway here is to be skeptical of the notion that our sexual and social habits are as strongly genetically programmed as evo-psycho proponents believe. As Francie Diep at Pacific Standard writes, “As more thousands of years passed, the numbers of men reproducing, compared to women, rose again.” Far from being robots who are acting out unchanging genetic scripts, we are creatures who experience periods of dramatic change—and those changes, in turn, change our genes.
The other takeaway: to be grateful we live in an age where it’s harder for a few powerful men to snatch up all the women for themselves. That sounds terrible for both men and women.


shyt is baked into the genetic cake

we get it breh, you love caping for capitalists and have a middle school understanding of socialism :mjlol:
 

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we get it breh, you love caping for capitalists and have a middle school understanding of socialism :mjlol:
Why do white people like you feel so comfortable "guiding" groups of black people?
 

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we get it breh, you love caping for capitalists and have a middle school understanding of socialism :mjlol:
i guess Lenin, Mao, Castro and everyone else had a middle school understanding of socialism because they all fukked up.


It's funny I guess you beleive that Religion is the opiate of the people and if someone told you that there mother died despite praying and said God knows best you'd laugh at them and say they died of a heart attack or whatever it was.


Yet despite everytime communism was tried it failed but They made a mistake. The ideology is sound

Maybe the ideology is sound but you give one guy a gun and make sure that he uses it to redistribute wealth he may decide to turn around and use it to get a bigger share for himself. That's human nature. Vladimir Rezun aka Viktor Suverov defected from the GRU when he was asked why he joined the Soviet Army in the first place he said it was because he failed at his collective farm so he said If I'm gonna be in Jail I'd want to be one of the Jailers I feel the same way and i would've run not walked in a recruiting station.
 

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Because the working class in the early 20th just simply didn’t exist.

The problem, in my point of view, is that we live in a stratified society. Segments of the working class can live like a king, but they are proletarians all the same. The west has effectively defanged trade unionism and brought it under the fold of bourgeois politics. Imperialism has kept our western standard of living afloat, and you know what they say about bread and circuses…
 
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One thing I have been thinking about lately is how having our news stations be 100% controlled by corporations is what has gotten us here. They will never platform politicians that push for democratic socialism without painting them as one party state communists.

And yes, I'm fully aware that that one party states that control the news end up turning into propaganda channels but there are a ton of democratic socialist states that do have government funded news stations that don't act in that matter. The main key for it to work is to not have the government be controlled by one political party.

The corporate media we have in the states will always promote corporate interests.
 

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