how could you be against socialism/communism as a black person

[skylove4]

You have a defeatist attitude and them types of people always lose in life. Take from that what you will

You have a myopic childlike view of the world. You seem to lack the capacity to understand the reality or gravity of the worlds problems, so it’s impossible for you to offer solutions. You seem like a ill adjusted lame that probably wet the bed until you were a teenager

take from that what you will

 

[horizon]

You have a defeatist attitude and them types of people always lose in life. Take from that what you will

You have the depth of a puddle jesus christ

 

[EndDomination]

I don’t need to. I have history to look at.

What history are you referring to?
Because from my own American history text book: the chattel slavery of African people in the West, the starvation of the Irish and the Indian, the colonial plunder and rape of Africa, the genocide of the indigenous people of the West, the exploitation of Middle and East Asia, the mass genocide of Jewish people and West Africans, the continued exploitation of the entire global South, and the poisoning of the Earth all happened at the behest of capitalism.

I didn't read your question.

To answer, In communism the government own "your" property. So technically reparations wouldn't be given to you and you would have not say on how to use it.

Socialism can be damn near anything these days.

That's not it at all.
In communism the people of the "state" have direct democratic control of the government, and the decision of the state happen due to mass involvement by the masses.
The government doesn't "own" the property under communism.

The definition of socialism has not changed - your understanding is simply misguided.

Commie cult members just have dreams of waking up at 11 pm playing video games all day while they ration out their monthly allowance from Zaddy. Pathetic lifestyle.

So you're just making up a strawman, huh?
I think you're out of your depth here Mowgli, we'll make a thread about grown men wrestling just for you.

So you think doctors should get the paid the same as retail workers? Then what incentive would there be to be a heart surgeon?

shyt don't work in Russia, what makes you think it'll work here?

Not quite it - and there were far more doctors and a much higher lifespan under socialism - specifically Cuba and in the USSR versus West Germany.

Now, I'm sure you're bright enough to know that Russia is not communist, is not socialist, and is currently a capitalist state, replete with the corruption

They were socialist. Socialism isn’t communism stop

They were both lol.

 

[EndDomination]

The problem is that the people who lead communist/socialist revolutions operate out of self interest.


I'm ideologically anarchist so no way in the fight. I hate communists as much as I hate fascists.

Like Bookchin? Or Lorenzo Kom'boa Ervin? Or are talking EZLN/PKK?

I don't think what you stated is true at all, but communism and anarchism have the same end goal, just different perceptions of how to get there.

 

[EndDomination]

No, you're a tankie because you're an apologist for the CCP.

"Tankie" means a defender of the crushing of the Hungarian Revolution in 1952, its just been ridiculously applied to anyone who is skeptical of the U.S. coverage of China.

I'm quite skeptical of U.S. coverage of China, because so much of it is obviously bullshyt.

That being said, I certainly don't trust the Chinese state in full -

 

[EndDomination]

Then America isn't a Capitalist country. America has a heavily regulated economic system. Patents, occupational licensing, taxation, zoning, corporate lobbying, etc.

Regulation isn't the antithesis of capitalism, my nikka

 

[EndDomination]

Capitalism =/= white supremacy. White supremacism is the antithesis of free market capitalism. An entire race is shut out of the market by force.

The genesis of capitalism was white supremacy breh

 

[Will Ross]

Not in full, it has been attempted - with varying degrees of success (QoL in Cuba versus Alabama or Missouri is a pretty clear indication that socialism certainly does work)

Any of these countries not actively being undermined or destroyed by the U.S., France, U.K. or Germany?



More or less this.

Huey Newton was a communist. Bobby Seale and Fred Hampton were communists. Patrice Lumumba, Steve Biko, Julius, Nyere, Stokely Carmichael, Kwame Nkrumah, W.E.B. Du Bois, C.L.R. James, Paul Robeson, The African Blood Brotherhood, the Black Panther Party - all communists.

I mean they had movements but would not say the represented the black community as a whole

 

[Mrhateeverything]

Democratic socialism works. Not a fan of communism but definitely a fan of demo socialism

Which is what I would want. off topic but
America isn't even top 10 in quality of life or happiness in general by its citizens.
America is pretty terrible by first world countries standards.
Terrible health care at the costliest in the world.
Education system isnt great.
Most prisoners per capita and for profit prison.
Capitalism is failing . Most people in America don't even know what socialism or communism is and say everything they don't like is communism/socialism

 

[qwer]

I mean they had movements but would not say the represented the black community as a whole

Most black people supported the socialist and communist they’re were literally the only parties that wanted black folks to vote and equal opportunity. Hell the civil rights movement is an example of sociocommunisn

 

[videogamestashbox.com]

Can someone explain to me how socialism/communism is anti-black? Reparations is literally wealth distribution from the oppressors to the oppressed. The federal government is the largest employers of ADOS in this country and is the backbone of the black middle class. I don’t understand why people would be against it if they are black. Black leaders like malcolm z and mlk were communists. Kwame Nkrumah, Julius Nyerere etc.

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My thoughts on socialist comparative analysis:
That said, I don't agree on a fundamental level because I reject Marx-Engels socialist framework for the analysis of African societies Real or fictional.
As I've mentioned before...

It's like when Europeans call people "chiefs". A hogon's relation to the community in Dogon country maybe distinct from the Asantehene to the Ashanti or Eze in igboland. Either way Europeans would call them all "chiefs" ruling a "chiefdom" This is also a reason I roll my eyes at people using the term "King" & "Queen" all the time. The relationship of a European king to the rest of the community especially as concerns land rights/tenure are distinct in nature.

Example: The hogon doesn't own all the dogons land with the dogon people working the soil as peons.

This is also a problem I have with socialist/communist because they bring their ideas to an African context assuming all "African chiefs" have the same relationship with their people as European kings and try to map their ideology 1 to 1 on Africa. Animism is yet another generic term that doesn't really fit anything in specific.




Hell I'd say something generic like "cattle cults", "ancestor cults", or "mother cult" before saying anything like "animism". Even though cattle domestication came way too late to assume it was first. I think in a situation like this the better question would be...

Better question: What evidence do we have of the black mans original spiritual system(s)?

My position is to view African societies on their on terms through an analytical framework composed of ideals(which I'm not going to go deep into) found throughout Africa dealing with society.
Ideals from/such as...

• Ubuntu
• Maat
• Dr. Fu-Kiau Bunseki - (books on congo based systems)
• Marimba ani - (Utilization of African systems & lectures on women)
• Mwalimu K. Bomani and Yaa Mawusi Baruti - (lectures/books on men/women)
• Poro and Sande societies - (acculturation of children)
• West African land tenure norms / business organization
• View media item 20863
• Basic African historical analysis
• etc. etc. etc.

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Basically there is a shyt load of "cultural ingredients" I pull from to cook my ideological soup. The above being simply a small sample of base ingredients ....or sources(books/lectures) I pull ingredients from. From those ingredients I cook an ideology by which to compare real/proposed societal practices. This is as opposed to what black socialist do which is....

1. Take Marx-Engels social/economic analysis of a handful(England, France, etc.) of western European societies around the European industrial revolution,
2. Abstract that analysis of 2 or 3 European societies going through the industrial revolution,
3. Then apply that abstraction carte blanche to any and all societies... most importantly in this case African societies.

As stated before I disagree with that process. If we are to utilize an abstraction based on analysis of historical social/economic phenomena, then it should be an abstraction of African societal processes not an abstraction based on analysis of English/French historical social/economic phenomena ....that are then applied to an Africa with its own distinct history and social/economic phenomena that doesn't even line up with western Europe.(This is my same prob with feminism btw)

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2. Why would I want the government hiring AssimilationistsDivisivesOrSellouts?

 

[Will Ross]

Most black people supported the socialist and communist they’re were literally the only parties that wanted black folks to vote and equal opportunity. Hell the civil rights movement is an example of sociocommunisn

Most black people don't support socialism/ communism

 

[qwer]

Most black people don't support socialism/ communism

What do most blacks people support than

 

[Will Ross]

What do most blacks people support than

capitalism for the most part.

 

[qwer]

capitalism for the most part.

Yeah and look how that’s working out for us black folks worldwide