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Ethiopia was happy in the late 80's, early 90's to arm, train and unleash rebels against their neighbours, leading to the death and destruction of entire nations. Now their army is fighting internal wars on many fronts and looks like outsiders are doing the same to them.

Great, I love it. More please. :yeshrug:

lol, do you think Ethiopians ever had any real say in what their leaders do on their behalf? You sound like an idiot trying to attribute all the chaos of the region on the Ethiopian people and not on the trash regimes which have represented them.

But by all means, support the white man and Arab man’s bullshyt in Africa.

US would prefer Sisi's extra ass over the Muslim Brotherhood. If Ethiopia moves forward w/ GERD then it will weaken Sisi's stance in Egypt.
But Abiy is going to keep filling that damn. :yeshrug:



Love watching occupied Egypt take L’s. :mjlit:

I dont remember any apprehension about the US/CIA/neocolonialism when the Trump Admin was warming to Eritrea in its first few years, and when it supported the removal of UN sanctions after the Ethiopia deal,

Top U.S. Envoy Reiterates Decision to Strengthen Ties with Eritrea

Nor a peep about regional intervention/meddling etc while Eritrea was letting the UAE use the Assab Air Base for years to run sorties in Yemen.

Hell even now Afwerki speaks warmly about Saudi and the regional role they should play and his fervent supporters pretend they dont see it. Framing this as a battle between Good and Evil or national heros vs neocolonialists and their allies seems weak to me.

Wont even touch on irony of Afwerki fans now claiming theyre concerned about Ethiopian national initiatives like the dam, which they used to trash for years under previous regime.

The current admin is more friendly to TPLF, but I dont see any serious proof that they 1) provide logistical or armed support to them or 2) spearheaded this conflict. That it ends up weakening Ethiopia is par for the course and predictable, but is not proof of a foreign plot.

So we’re going to ignore the Woyanes rushing into Somalia at the behest of Washington to take down the Islamic Courts Union? Only to leave al Shabab around to terrorize? Woyanes policies against Eritrea also were in lock step with the West’s agenda. How can that be anything other than a neocolonial relationship? Ethiopia under the Woyanes were America’s cop in the region.

Explain why America has spent nearly three decades ignoring every bit of human rights and political and social injustice that has gone on in Ethiopia but now all of a sudden have such grave concerns since their little poodles in Mekelle lost control of Abiy? What about the very obvious bias from old Obama admin dogs like Susan Rice aka Meles’ hoe?

To suggest that claiming this is a battle of neocolonial forces vs internal forces looking to protect the country isn’t weak at all. The U.S. allowing a bunch of rag tag rebels to create an ethnic based system with no referendums or votes, complete with fake ethnic enclaves and ethnic ID cards, that begins a process of Balkanization which is a direct trait of neocolonialism. But of course the West thought nothing of it, because it fits an agenda going back a century of the West wanting Ethiopia dissolved because it has always been a symbol which runs counter to a Eurocentric paradigm and worldview.

We can certainly agree that the burden of proof is on the side of Pan Ethiopianists with regards to these claims but this is how many of us have felt for years. Just cuz we don’t see the fire don’t mean we don’t smell the smoke. People like Sudan Rice, situations like the Morsi tape where he spells out Egypt’s desire to influence racist ethnonationaliats in Ethiopia to revolt to cause instability, all of the years of brutality from the regime just to be ignored by the West. The media’s portrayal of the conflict has also been very obvious in its attempts to manufacture enough emotive responses to get a more robust intervention situation on the ground.

There’s always been a weird backhanded bias towards Ethiopia from the West. When she inspired enslaved Africans to revolt. When she inspired Africans to end colonialism. There’s always been an effort to keep her subservient and on her knees. Can’t convince me otherwise.
 

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good job Amharas and abiy
 

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Are the Afars factors like that
Yes my afghani friend, their land is cause of the railway transport that goes through. TPLF is moving towards capturing the Djibouti Addis road link.

If they destroy the bridges of the train as well as put mines on those roads its game over.
TDF can also loot all supplies heading to Addis just like ENDF & Amhara militia did in Makelle.
 
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I dont remember any apprehension about the US/CIA/neocolonialism when the Trump Admin was warming to Eritrea in its first few years, and when it supported the removal of UN sanctions after the Ethiopia deal,

Top U.S. Envoy Reiterates Decision to Strengthen Ties with Eritrea

Nor a peep about regional intervention/meddling etc while Eritrea was letting the UAE use the Assab Air Base for years to run sorties in Yemen.

Hell even now Afwerki speaks warmly about Saudi and the regional role they should play and his fervent supporters pretend they dont see it. Framing this as a battle between Good and Evil or national heros vs neocolonialists and their allies seems weak to me.

Wont even touch on irony of Afwerki fans now claiming they're concerned about Ethiopian national initiatives like the dam, which they used to trash for years under previous regime.

The current admin is more friendly to TPLF, but I dont see any serious proof that they 1) provide logistical or armed support to them or 2) spearheaded this conflict. That it ends up weakening Ethiopia is par for the course and predictable, but is not proof of a foreign plot.
Breh, I think it's well-established that TPLF are darlings of the West and have used the money they raided from Ethiopia's coffers over the last 20+ years to buy up a lot of the support you're currently seeing in Western media.

On the other hand, Isaias is a Marxist, he is in control of a country with high strategic importance to the US, he's making stronger ties w/ China and Russia, the US has wanted him out for a while now. This is America's FP stance on Eritrea. A few years of Trump's "I'm going to do the opposite of Obama" FP does not negate the decades that the US has empowered TPLF financially/militarily and the means they've used to initiate regime change in Eritrea (economic sanctions/ignoring TPLF violating the Algiers Agreement)

Abiy views them as a terrorist organization I believe has good reason to be distrustful of some of these "aid" organizations that want unrestricted access to the area to work hand-and-hand with them. Particularly since TPLF has violated the ceasefire over the last few weeks - attacking Amhara rebels and now the Afar people who don't bother anyone. Psaki was asked about this two days ago and completely ignored the question. Other organizations have been mum. Abiy has taken notice and is irritated by this. There is a reason anti-American sentiment is growing in Ethiopia.
 

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they caught Abunch of gallas :dead:

At this rate I can see others rushing to make deals with tplf the way things are going. The president of afar is in Addis doing god knows what probably hiding
 

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Breh, I think it's well-established that TPLF are darlings of the West and have used the money they raided from Ethiopia's coffers over the last 20+ years to buy up a lot of the support you're currently seeing in Western media.

On the other hand, Isaias is a Marxist, he is in control of a country with high strategic importance to the US, he's making stronger ties w/ China and Russia, the US has wanted him out for a while now. This is America's FP stance on Eritrea. A few years of Trump's "I'm going to do the opposite of Obama" FP does not negate the decades that the US has empowered TPLF financially/militarily and the means they've used to initiate regime change in Eritrea (economic sanctions/ignoring TPLF violating the Algiers Agreement)

Abiy views them as a terrorist organization I believe has good reason to be distrustful of some of these "aid" organizations that want unrestricted access to the area to work hand-and-hand with them. Particularly since TPLF has violated the ceasefire over the last few weeks - attacking Amhara rebels and now the Afar people who don't bother anyone. Psaki was asked about this two days ago and completely ignored the question. Other organizations have been mum. Abiy has taken notice and is irritated by this. There is a reason anti-American sentiment is growing in Ethiopia.

Have to disagree on this one breh. TPLF had a good relationship with previous American administrations, but its spin to suggest they were subservient lackeys that did everything they were asked. They exploited their relations with the West for their own means, just like Abiy did since he came to power. It was working till he miscalculated on this war.

Ethiopian trade with China and Chinese investment in Ethiopia grew significantly under TPLF. Zenawi also still had latent Marxist-influenced economic views, as evidenced by fact their key sectors remain nationalized through his rule (telecoms, banking). Dam project also started under him, hardly a project conceived by the West. He was simply a shrewd, but ruthless operator just like Paul Kagame, ready to exploit all ties with major powers to get what he needs (legitimacy, investment, development money)

Abiy got plenty of glowing coverage since he came to power. He won the Nobel Peace Prize! Did he also have Western media paid off and the money spigot went dry? Or did they simply change on him, after the ugliness of the war began to pile up? To me its very clearly the latter.
 
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