Honestly, I don't see why thiest and the religious should believe science at all...

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let's get back to the original premise of the thread:
Honestly, I don't see why thiest and the religious should believe science at all...

anyone who does not believe in science is a fool.
if you want to discuss how science is applied then i can talk to you.
 

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read the book for yourself and you tell me

Romans 6:23 (NIV)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 14:6 (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Acts 4:12 (NIV)
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

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Romans 6:23 (NIV)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

John 14:6 (NIV)
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Acts 4:12 (NIV)
12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

:scusthov:



new international version isnt a completely correct translation is it?
 

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new international version isnt a completely correct translation is it?

yo u claim to not be a christian

so find me one christian on the board that will tell me that it is not necessary to accept christ in order to gain entrance into heaven and eternal life.

otherwise, shut the fukk up. i get it breh, youre the devils advocate
 

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yo u claim to not be a christian

so find me one christian on the board that will tell me that it is not necessary to accept christ in order to gain entrance into heaven and eternal life.

otherwise, shut the fukk up. i get it breh, youre the devils advocate




what does anybody else on here have to do with what i asked though?


we traveled so far off topic i should have known it was going to get demonic with an individiual such as yourself trying to lead a conversation :flabbynsick:
 

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In philosophy that's called Pascal's Wager. It's an interesting argument, but there are problems with it IMO.

The gamble Pascal speaks about makes sense to me. - 'there's more to be gained from wagering on the existence of God than from atheism, and that a rational person should live as though God exists, even though the truth of the matter cannot actually be known.'

I've been arguing probability for over 10 years... and it makes sense that a physics and mathematician would have similar views.

The 'problems' are minimized when you actually study religion. First, off God isn't punishing those who simply deny out of ignorance or not ever hearing about a higher power... There are those who know, who then turn their back, they more than likely will be denied these rewards ; if rewards exist. Nevertheless the rewards shouldn't be the sole motivation regardless.

Also, Sure he is speaking about a Christian God, so he is ignoring possibilities, but his concept isn't flawed in a true sense. God is God no matter what avenue to approach it with. The multiple faith argument against his reasoning is wrong.

If I wanted to argue against him, I would use doxastic voluntarism - belief is an involuntary action. Statistics aren't enough to convert people into believers. You can't force a belief and You can't fake worship, just to be on the safe side.
 

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The gamble Pascal speaks about makes sense to me. - 'there's more to be gained from wagering on the existence of God than from atheism, and that a rational person should live as though God exists, even though the truth of the matter cannot actually be known.'

THIS STILL RUNS INTO THE PROBLEMS ACRI1 SUMMARIZED, BROTHER! BUT THE REAL ISSUE IT BRINGS UP IS THIS: WHAT IF THERE IS A PARADISE AFTERLIFE AND IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN THE ONE YOU BELIEVE IN, BUT ONLY DISHONEST IRONIC ZOROASTRIANS GET TO GO THERE, DUDE? THEN, USING THE EMPHASIS ON POTENTIAL REWARD DESPITE LOW PROBABILITY THAT YOU'VE INVOKED, THE BEST MOVE TO MAKE IS TO BE A DISHONEST IRONIC ZOROASTRIAN, MY MAIN MAN!

You can't force a belief
YOU CAN WITH CHILDREN, THE GUILTY, AND THE DESPERATE, BROTHER!
 

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THIS STILL RUNS INTO THE PROBLEMS ACRI1 SUMMARIZED, BROTHER! BUT THE REAL ISSUE IT BRINGS UP IS THIS: WHAT IF THERE IS A PARADISE AFTERLIFE AND IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN THE ONE YOU BELIEVE IN, BUT ONLY DISHONEST IRONIC ZOROASTRIANS GET TO GO THERE, DUDE? THEN, USING THE EMPHASIS ON POTENTIAL REWARD DESPITE LOW PROBABILITY THAT YOU'VE INVOKED, THE BEST MOVE TO MAKE IS TO BE A DISHONEST IRONIC ZOROASTRIAN, MY MAIN MAN!


YOU CAN WITH CHILDREN, THE GUILTY, AND THE DESPERATE, BROTHER!
Dude lived during the 16 hundreds Europe. The illuminated didn't come around until after he died. He had no choice but to apply all theories into the context of Christianity. In a wider sense his views are probably correct in a mathematical sense- is all I was saying. The initial 'problems' aren't problems when u simply say a belief in god.

You make good post, and you stay in character. HL took an L for u not being poster of the year, alias or not.

Anyway, you can force the practice of religion, you can't force true belief, you can't even force yourself to believe ( physically impossible)
 

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what does anybody else on here have to do with what i asked though?


we traveled so far off topic i should have known it was going to get demonic with an individiual such as yourself trying to lead a conversation :flabbynsick:

because if youre gonna claim to not be of any religion, then you cant answer my question because youre not a christian. all i said was: DO CHRISTIANS BELIEVE YOU NEED TO ACCEPT CHRIST

:what:

stop coppin pleas :rudy:
 
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