Honestly, I don't see why thiest and the religious should believe science at all...

[Dirty_Jerz]

Ive read the bible front to back unlike 90% of christians. 200 years ago slavemasters justified slavery because it's endorsed by the bible. guess what, the bible still endorses slavery, its society that changed.

to say people wouldnt be killing without science is absurd. look at ghengis khan, he killed millions.

science is demonstrable, and backed by evidence. what part of your fairy tale religion is backed by evidence?

Where at?

Didnt say that

Not a member of a religion

 

[emoney]

Where at?

Didnt say that

Not a member of a religion

your not a member of a religion? but do you believe in God?

 

[mbewane]

Religious people shouldn't use technology either, since you know, science created it. That and they shouldn't take advantage of new medical procedures and medicines because, you know, science created it. They'll abuse all those things, then draw the line when this science they take for granted disagrees with their indoctination.

 

[Slaimon Khan Shah]

nah, ur just backin out now.

of course being a good person is part of every religion. but the END GOAL is to be accepted by god into paradise, and religions have certain steps that contradict this

its as simple as this: why would i accept christ as my savior, when @Slaimon knows that this will send me to hell?

PLEASE DON'T ACCEPT CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR. ALL BLESSINGS AND PROTECTION ARE FROM THE CREATOR.

 

[the cac mamba]

How has science taught you how to live?

its taught me several practices that have kept me alive, ie knowing how germs spread

i could go on and on. keep talkin to the sky tho

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

its taught me several practices that have kept me alive, ie knowing how germs spread

i could go on and on. keep talkin to the sky tho

that isnt science teaching you how to live thats you (edit: allowing yourself to accept) the logical conclusion of it

if you learned how to live through science you wouldnt use cell phones or computers because they have been linked to being one of the causes of cancer

 

[the cac mamba]

that isnt science teaching you how to live thats you coming to a logical conclusion

ll:

did u just call the discovery of germs a fukking logical conclusion

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

did u just call the discovery of germs a fukking logical conclusion

wash your hands before you eat

 

[the cac mamba]

wash your hands before you eat

well when that isnt enough, do you take medicine or do u just pray and hope it goes away

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

well when that isnt enough, do you take medicine or do u just pray and hope it goes away

tell me about how you eat junk food even though science will tell you its not beneficial

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

Science is a tool made up of innumerable facets.
it allows us to understand, deconstruct, manipulate and appreciate reality.
what we do with the fruits of Science is entirely up to us.
many sins have been committed in the name of and because of Science....but much good has as well.

only a fool would say that the same cannot be said of Religion.

 

[the cac mamba]

tell me about how you eat junk food even though science will tell you its not beneficial

tell me about how you either do or do not accept christ as your savior, even though christians are sure it will lead you to salvation and muslims are sure it wont

 

[acri1]

Anyway, Not a gun. Sh1t look at it like this. If an atheist is wrong.. HE IS fukked. If a Muslim is wrong... He looks retarded as fukk, but at least he lived a good life, a healthy life, and hopefully a fulfilling life. Either way, not only do we not know anything for certain about our creation... we don't know anything for certain about our current existence.

In philosophy that's called Pascal's Wager. It's an interesting argument, but there are problems with it IMO.

Missing possibilities

The main problem with Pascal's wager is that it suffers from the fallacy of bifurcation. It only calculates with two options when there are, in fact, at least four alternatives: The Christian God and afterlife, some other god and afterlife, atheism with afterlife, and atheism without afterlife. Therefore Pascal's wager is invalid as an argument.

Avoiding the wrong hell problem

Because of the multitude of possible religions, if any faith is as likely as the other, the probability of the god you believe in being right is P=1/n where n is the number of possible faiths. If we assume that there is an infinite amount of possible gods (i.e. ideas of gods), the probability of you being right is infinitely small.

Because Pascal's wager fails to tell us which god is likely to be the right one, you have a great probability that you picked the wrong religion and go to some other religion's version of hell. This is referred to as the "avoiding the wrong hell problem"

The loss from religion

Pascal also made the incorrect statement that you would lose nothing from believing if you are wrong. This is not true either. Imagine that you are wrong in being a theist. You will waste a lot of time and energy on going to church, praying and religious rituals. Imagine if all the energy that,throughout human history, had been wasted on such activities had been used to improve the world instead.

God rewarding only true believers

God is supposed to be omnipotent. If so, he will know who are the true believers and who worship him only to be on the safe side. Therefore it is not likely that a person who worships God because of Pascal's wager will go to heaven. This is sometimes called the Atheist version of Pascal's wager, since it says atheists will be better rewarded than theist hypocrites, and thus if you do not believe in god, you shouldn't lie and say you do.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

tell me about how you either do or do not accept christ as your savior, even though christians are sure it will lead you to salvation and muslims are sure it wont

as long as your motives are righteous you arent in the wrong according to both so

 

[the cac mamba]

as long as your motives are righteous you arent in the wrong according to both so

ok, christians: answer me

in order to get into 'heaven', do you or do you not have to accept christ as your savior