Honda Says Making Cheap Electric Vehicles is Too Hard, Ends Deal With GM
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rhakim think all these EV's are great until you left with a fukking 4 ton paperweight when the system crashes. PLUS the huge ass maintinence fee to fix them... shyt is ridiculousyou asking alot for an average person to buy one. that's just imo. I got videos of the tesla malfunctions where people have DIED..
Breh, Tesla's auto-driving failures or system crashes have NOTHING to do with being an EV. You do realize that having an electric engine and having full-auto driving are two completely different things, right?
exactly what i was saying...
lol - ""exactly what you were saying"? You shifted the goalposts like 12 times and this was never one of your arguments, @ORDER_66.
Summer power usage peak is in the middle of the day, and as you point out EV's generally charge at night. So EV's have little impact on peak usage. In fact, if necessary you can use EVs as extra storage capacity and actually put battery energy back into the grid during peak usage times then take it back during low usage, so hypothetically it could relieve grid issues rather than exacerbating them.
EVs could play crucial role in stabilising power grid, saving money and carbon | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Britain’s growing fleet of electric vehicles (EVs) could play a critical role in supporting the electricity grid, Imperial research has shown.
www.imperial.ac.uk
Why Electric Vehicles Won't Break the Grid
Though conservatives have attacked California officials for asking electric vehicle owners to unplug during a heat wave, experts say more electric cars won’t topple the power grid
ORDER_66
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Breh, Tesla's auto-driving failures or system crashes have NOTHING to do with being an EV. You do realize that having an electric engine and having full-auto driving are two completely different things, right?
lol - ""exactly what you were saying"? You shifted the goalposts like 12 times and this was never one of your arguments, @ORDER_66.
Summer power usage peak is in the middle of the day, and as you point out EV's generally charge at night. So EV's have little impact on peak usage. In fact, if necessary you can use EVs as extra storage capacity and actually put battery energy back into the grid during peak usage times then take it back during low usage, so hypothetically it could relieve grid issues rather than exacerbating them.
EVs could play crucial role in stabilising power grid, saving money and carbon | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Britain’s growing fleet of electric vehicles (EVs) could play a critical role in supporting the electricity grid, Imperial research has shown.
Why Electric Vehicles Won't Break the Grid
Though conservatives have attacked California officials for asking electric vehicle owners to unplug during a heat wave, experts say more electric cars won’t topple the power gridwww.scientificamerican.com
This man is an EV shill y'all please avoid him AT ALL COSTS!!!
This man is an EV shill y'all please avoid him AT ALL COSTS!!!
Since this conversation started, you have posted 17 comments making the claims:
1. Car companies should stop making EVs and just make hybrids instead, because no one buys EVs [even though EV sales are skyrocketing]
2. EVs are too expensive for anyone to buy [even though they're as cheap as $26k, and their $53k average is barely over the $48.5k ICE average]
3. You can't get an EV battery fixed when it breaks [even though they come with full 8-year warrenty]
4. EVs hit people on the road [even though EV has nothing to do with automated driving]
5. Used cars are cheaper than new cars [has absolutely nothing to do with whether car companies should make EVs]
6. Cars have computer malfunctions [even though computer systems have nothing to do with being an EV]
Not ONCE in any of those 17 comments did you say anything about the power grid. So why lie and claim that you'd been arguing about the power grid? It clearly wasn't on your mind at all, yet you immediately latch onto the argument and claim it's what you've been saying, and then when I post direct evidence that EVs aren't going to be a problem for the grid, you ignore my evidence without even opening the links and call me a shill.
Why the fukk do you care whether companies make EVs or not? If they really aren't selling like you claim, then they're not going to be anything more than fringe, so it has zero impact on your life. Yet you are posting more than anyone else in this thread and keep clutching onto these deranged right-wing arguments even after they get debunked one after another.
ORDER_66
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no one cares what you think here bruh...
Breh, this is Higher Learning. It's not about what I think, it's about what I can prove.
You've spent the entire thread embarrassing yourself on the subject, just like when we interact on your memecoin obsession, your vaccine misinformation, you #bothsides nonsense, your misunderstanding of Affirmative Action, and every other confusion you post on these boards.
Let's summarize:
@ORDER_66 bytched that he was worried a peace treaty would happen soon.
When confronted, @ORDER_66 tried to mock anyone who thought a peace treaty would come soon, even though he had just complained about that possibility hours earlier.
In order to deflect, @ORDER_66 went on a wild tangent claiming that the Ukrainian government was selling off weapons for profit.
When it was pointed out that he was pushing propaganda, @ORDER_66 posted a link for "proof" when the link SAYS it's a lie.
@ORDER_66 then added on a bullshyt lie out of nowhere claiming that I supported Ukraine selling off weapons for profit.
@ORDER_66 then made up the bullshyt lie out of nowhere that I think "Biden and the Democrats can do no wrong" even though I'm not a Democrat and have been repeatedly criticizing Biden for years and don't think he should be president.
These #bothsides posters have jumped the shark.
There are still too many barriers to entry for common people. If you're upper tier income or better you likely have a place to charge it nightly so it's nothing to you.exactly what i was saying...
ICE cars are probably more expensive when you factor in maintenance and repairs but the upfront cost are lower and it's a frictionless experience. If you got the money to buy one and a place to park you're good.
So when everyone gets home from work at around the same time in the evening and plugs in all those EVs your argument is all that extra usage at around the same time from all those households will be irrelevant?Breh, Tesla's auto-driving failures or system crashes have NOTHING to do with being an EV. You do realize that having an electric engine and having full-auto driving are two completely different things, right?
lol - ""exactly what you were saying"? You shifted the goalposts like 12 times and this was never one of your arguments, @ORDER_66.
Summer power usage peak is in the middle of the day, and as you point out EV's generally charge at night. So EV's have little impact on peak usage. In fact, if necessary you can use EVs as extra storage capacity and actually put battery energy back into the grid during peak usage times then take it back during low usage, so hypothetically it could relieve grid issues rather than exacerbating them.
EVs could play crucial role in stabilising power grid, saving money and carbon | Imperial News | Imperial College London
Britain’s growing fleet of electric vehicles (EVs) could play a critical role in supporting the electricity grid, Imperial research has shown.
Why Electric Vehicles Won't Break the Grid
Though conservatives have attacked California officials for asking electric vehicle owners to unplug during a heat wave, experts say more electric cars won’t topple the power grid
That’s a lot of power usage we don’t have to account for right now and it’s mostly going to be at or around the same time.
57% of electric car owners make over $100,000 a year....which means that 43% of electric car owners make under $100,000. So they're not all "upper tier" income. And that's partially distorted because electric cars are all new buys, and most people who are buying new cars in general make more money than people who buy used cars.
I agree that at this particular point in time, there are more barriers for working-class people. But that will change as market share rises and charging becomes more ubiquitous.
They've done studies on this and found that it's not going to force serious impact on the grid until adoption gets around 30%. So there's plenty of time. And the fixes are easy as hell. Pretty much just need two things to solve your issue.
1. More charging stations at workplaces. Late morning and early afternoon tend to have excess electricity in the grid, and that will be even more true as solar power grows. So charaging when you get to work will take advantage of that excess available electricity.
2. Differential pricing to incentivize spreading the demand. Some California utilities are already offering customers extra cheap rates at times when demand is low (like 2am to 6am). So customers who want to save money on charging will just wait and plug it in before they go to sleep rather than right when they get home. Or they'll even install a timer so that it charges at the same time every day/night.
That's it. Just install charging stations at work and institute differential pricing, and you'll easily spred EC charging optimally throughout the day.
Now, since I answered your question, you answer mine. What are you going to do about the 58,000 people who die every year due to breathing car exhaust? What are you going to do about oil spills? What are you going to do to ensure that Putin, MBS, and other oil dictators stop having some much influence over gas prices and stop being able to dictate our internal politics? What are you going to do about the climate change that gas-based cars are bringing us?
Gas-powered cars have MASSIVE issues .We just accept them because they're old issues. But their issues are much, much worse than "how do we get people to charge at a different time of day."
Also it's interesting how automakers that actually do make affordable EVs are not scaling back their production and are making profits. Hyundai, KIA and even BMW are doing fine while American auto makers, with all the tax breaks and tariffs stacked in their favor, are doubling down on unaffordable SUVs and scaling back production.
Hyundai Motor Sees Record Profit In Q3, Keeps Its EV Plans On Track
The news comes after Ford and General Motors delayed or abandoned some of their electric vehicle production goals.
insideevs.com
F-150 Lightning announced starting price was 40k, now it starts at 60k and then on top of that dealers were marking it up even further. People thought that Ford would punish dealerships for their egregious markups but instead Ford just increased prices. For a car that doesn't even have a heat pump and, like you mentioned, has a subpar charging infrastructure. Mach E trims that are over 300 miles range also start over 60k.
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“I’m out”: Ford F-150 Lightning customers cancel orders after recent price jumps
Base model price has gone up 50 percent in just a year and a half.
www.theverge.com
Chevy was initially very successful with the Bolt but decided to discontinue it's production because they were losing 5k a car. They were projected to make 6k profit per vehicle by 2025 but instead of taking an initial loss and building out their EV platform they stopped production and now reversed their decision and make it again.
Meanwhile Hyundai and KIA are selling cars for 45k, they have to focus on leases instead of straight purchases in order to be eligible for tax credits and they're still not scaling back their EV production. Big Three is very lucky they have protection from IRA regarding battery manufacturing otherwise BYD and Volvo would murder them.
Also people can buy used EVs as well
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This is the main problem. But sales will rise again when that CA mandate for EVs kick in.
I would have bought the concept car in a heartbeat
