Honda Says Making Cheap Electric Vehicles is Too Hard, Ends Deal With GM
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Honestly everyone here knowing how many issues EV cars has why spend 26K when you can buy a used ICE car for cheap and have money leftover...26K aint cheap my nikka...
Breh, you made claim after claim that got debunked immediately, why not just say you personally don't like electric cars and leave it at that? What are you actually trying to convince people of?
No matter what you say, your entire narrative in this thread is destroyed by data like this.
You were literally telling car companies to "Just make hybrids"....um, look at the hybrids growth line and look at the EV line and you tell me what they should be doing.
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Breh, you made claim after claim that got debunked immediately, why not just say you personally don't like electric cars and leave it at that? What are you actually trying to convince people of?
No matter what you say, your entire narrative in this thread is destroyed by data like this.
You were literally telling car companies to "Just make hybrids"....um, look at the hybrids growth line and look at the EV line and you tell me what they should be doing.
nikka no one here cares about your dumbass graphs, take this shyt outta here... you dont walk on the streets or talk to people or see car dealerships where these cars sit on the lots... 
you acting like everyone car afford these EV's WHEN THEY CAN'T!!!! 
average person can barely afford rent now...ON AVERAGE. foh..
Anyone who thinks their personal conversations should override hard data isn't a serious person and really shouldn't be posting in HL.
And lol at the idea that you drive by lots and keeping such careful track of which EVs have sold that you can compare it to other lots.
ON AVERAGE, the AVERAGE person is spending $49,000 on the AVERAGE new car. So all your blustering hyperbole is meaningless. I never said everyone can afford an EV. But you walked into the conversation claiming that automakers should just stop making them as if no one can afford them, and that's just stupid.
Like I said, only 4% of Americans own an EV, but 12% are seriously considering them right now and 43% more say they'll consider it in the future. That's some massive fukking market growth that will only add to the tremendous growth we've already seen. Within 10 years there probably won't even be any difference in the price point at all, and then you get the EV's saving you a grand a year on gas. Trying to shut down the market would be the stupidest shyt a car dealer could do.
Why haven't you addressed the 58,000 early deaths a year due to car exhaust pollution yet? You cared SO much about 5 people dying due to automated driving which has nothing to do with EVs at all...was that just a dishonest deflection or do you really think we should factor these deaths into the equation?
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Anyone who thinks their personal conversations should override hard data isn't a serious person and really shouldn't be posting in HL.
And lol at the idea that you drive by lots and keeping such careful track of which EVs have sold that you can compare it to other lots.
ON AVERAGE, the AVERAGE person is spending $49,000 on the AVERAGE new car. So all your blustering hyperbole is meaningless. I never said everyone can afford an EV. But you walked into the conversation claiming that automakers should just stop making them as if no one can afford them, and that's just stupid.
Like I said, only 4% of Americans own an EV, but 12% are seriously considering them right now and 43% more say they'll consider it in the future. That's some massive fukking market growth that will only add to the tremendous growth we've already seen. Within 10 years there probably won't even be any difference in the price point at all, and then you get the EV's saving you a grand a year on gas. Trying to shut down the market would be the stupidest shyt a car dealer could do.
Why haven't you addressed the 58,000 early deaths a year due to car exhaust pollution yet? You cared SO much about 5 people dying due to automated driving which has nothing to do with EVs at all...was that just a dishonest deflection or do you really think we should factor these deaths into the equation?
what average man spending $49K on a fukking car that IS NOT AVERAGE U RETARD!!
4% is 4% enough already... this aint a competition or an argument i speak for the poor folks out here you got data shoved so far up your ass you cant see reality...
what average man spending $49K on a fukking car that IS NOT AVERAGE U RETARD!!
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I'm a retard for knowing reality?
4% is 4%
I have no idea what you think you are arguing. The reason why only 4% of people own EVs is because virtually no one was buying EVs before 2020. As of the end of 2022, EVs had climbed up to 8% of new car scales and were continuing to skyrocket. So your claim that the EV market had failed or was crashing was the exact opposite of reality.
I was pointing out the 4% number because it shows that the # of people who WANT to buy EVs is way fukking higher than the number who already own them. Which makes it a huge growth market.
enough already... this aint a competition or an argument i speak for the poor folks out here you got data shoved so far up your ass you cant see reality...
Yeah, I speak for the poor folks who are dying of car exhaust fumes and at the mercy of Putin/MBS's whims when it comes to gas prices. Like I already pointed out, within a decade EVs are going to be as cheap or cheaper than ICEs and plus without having to buy gas on top of that. No one is forcing any poor person to purchase an EV until they can afford it. Why are you being so short-sighted?
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I'm a retard for knowing reality?
I have no idea what you think you are arguing. The reason why only 4% of people own EVs is because virtually no one was buying EVs before 2020. As of the end of 2022, EVs had climbed up to 8% of new car scales and were continuing to skyrocket. So your claim that the EV market had failed or was crashing was the exact opposite of reality.
I was pointing out the 4% number because it shows that the # of people who WANT to buy EVs is way fukking higher than the number who already own them. Which makes it a huge growth market.
Yeah, I speak for the poor folks who are dying of car exhaust fumes and at the mercy of Putin/MBS's whims when it comes to gas prices. Like I already pointed out, within a decade EVs are going to be as cheap or cheaper than ICEs and plus without having to buy gas on top of that. No one is forcing any poor person to purchase an EV until they can afford it. Why are you being so short-sighted?
Why am i short sighted... ME????
nikka EV's are too expensive compared to USED ICE engine cars average person on the streets NOT spending 50K for a first time car. shove that EV shyt up your ass... im telling you that the Average man doesnt have 50K to buy a car... nor does he have 26K in THIS economy to buy a car... What part of that do you not understand? why are you so triggered that people don't have the money to buy EV's why you so fixated on them???
Why am i short sighted... ME????
And so what? What do people in the market for a used car even have to do with this conversation?
why are you so triggered that people don't have the money to buy EV's why you so fixated on them???
I'm not sure that you even know what the fukk you're arguing. This was your original statement that started the conversation:
Just make Hybrids... gawddamit... EV's ARE too expensive for the average american....its like these car execs live under a rock...
You started off telling automakers to make new hybrids instead of EVs as if that would be any cheaper, now you want to talk about used ICEs as if that's relevant to the conversation at all?
Everyone can see that over the course of this conversation you've tried 10-12 different talking points and every single one got destroyed. Your argument makes no fukking sense. YES, most working class people can't afford a new car. I've never bought a new car, my parents didn't buy a new car the entire time I was growing up. But wtf do people who don't buy new cars have to do with the decisions automakers make? You do realize that automakers sell NEW cars, right?
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And so what? What do people in the market for a used car even have to do with this conversation?
I'm not sure that you even know what the fukk you're arguing. This was your original statement that started the conversation:
You started off telling automakers to make new hybrids instead of EVs as if that would be any cheaper, now you want to talk about used ICEs as if that's relevant to the conversation at all?
Everyone can see that over the course of this conversation you've tried 10-12 different talking points and every single one got destroyed. Your argument makes no fukking sense. YES, most working class people can't afford a new car. I've never bought a new car, my parents didn't buy a new car the entire time I was growing up. But wtf do people who don't buy new cars have to do with the decisions automakers make? You do realize that automakers sell NEW cars, right?
Blah blah blah i love EV's blah blah blah your wrong compared to my market analysis blah blah blah...
that's how you sound like right now like these companies is paying you nikka..
when those EV's stay on those car lots dont say i didnt warn you...
Blah blah blah i love EV's blah blah blah your wrong compared to my market analysis blah blah blah...
When did I claim it was "my market analysis"? You're the one who claimed that you personally know what's going on more than the data shows, not me.
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When did I claim it was "my market analysis"? You're the one who claimed that you personally know what's going on more than the data shows, not me.
Electric Vehicle Sales in US Hit the Accelerator Pedal — Even Beyond California - CleanTechnica
Electric Vehicle Sales in US Hit the Accelerator Pedal, EV sales in the US are hitting new heights. In just the first half of 2023
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
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Canalys Newsroom - Global EV sales up 49% to 6.2 million units in H1 2023, with 55% of vehicles sold in Mainland China
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OMFG stahp it... stop it with these graphs and charts nikka...
at the end of the day I shared my opinion... You shared yours... we'll re-visit this topic down the line as more cars get brought... EV still sucks and has too many problems and still to expensive you MUST agree with me on that.
Evs are for wealthy people. Common folk will probably continue to drive gas powered car for the lifetime of everyone on this message forum.This is what poor leadership looks like. EV's are the future. These people woulda stuck to making horse shoes instead of automobiles 100 years ago.
What a ridiculous statement.
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You could afford an EV if your willing to buy the most basic ass model but 26K for a first time car is bullshyt. average man cannot afford that. Also america not ready yet for all that EV shyt we still woefully behind there are states where they are actively fighting back against EV's but my most focused issue is the numerous issues with the batteries and computer systems and their critical failures.. rhakim think all these EV's are great until you left with a fukking 4 ton paperweight when the system crashes. PLUS the huge ass maintinence fee to fix them... shyt is ridiculous
you asking alot for an average person to buy one. that's just imo. I got videos of the tesla malfunctions where people have DIED..
How so? The infrastructure requirements to get EVs to be even close to the majority on the vehicles on the road would be massive. Even in a place like the US like 40% of people rent for most of those people an EV is out of the question. Also the strain on the electric grid and the expansion of use of electricity when a majority of vehicles are EVs is going to be wild. Hell when it gets summer here our power company bytches about high usage days and tried to get people to conserve electric use. Imagine a majority of households pounding the electric grid nightly charging cars.What a ridiculous statement.
