Holy Cannoli! We’re On The Strive For Five! The Dynasty Rolls On! Golden State Warriors 2022-23 Season Thread

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

i don’t agree with benching him on some king her shyt just in regards to situational basketball in game adjustments… Bench him for a few mins so he can stop force shooting over double teams…

I have a bridge to sell you if you think that’ll stop Klay from doing that. If he’s still doing this shyt at 33 - nothing will stop him. You threaten with cutting off his hand and he’ll still go out there and do that shyt. How many times over his career has he done this, even through all the conversations he would've had to be more mindful of what he's doing out there? They literally went through this earlier in the season where he had to be pulled aside.

And the thing is, effectively, he had already been sent to the bench in the 3rd quarter (going 1-6 during that period).

When he returned in the 4th, he went 2-4 from the field (before that final shot), so why would Kerr bench him when he was the only player other than Kuminga who was actually hitting his shots at that stage of the game?

Over the last eight minutes of the contest:

Steph, Poole, Donte, Dray, Looney - 0 field goals
Klay - 2 out of 4* field goals.

thats the thing. No one is saying trade the dude. And just bc he played well previously doesnt mean he cant be benched

Hell, Wiggs just got benched down the stretch.

Given what is stated above, what stage of the game should have Klay been benched where he wasn't?

I'd imagine Wiggins was kept on the bench because he's still not in the right physical state, so I doubt Kerr wanted to compound that with having another starter off the floor. If he did that, and the Nets still won, fingers would be pointed at why did Kerr have Wiggins and Klay on the bench down the stretch.

And DDV was taken out when he was doing well. Funny thing is, that the other guys get benched when they play well instead of Klay, so they're the ones negatively impacted over this

Donte got taken out because he entered the game with six minutes remaining in the 3rd, and played all the way until there was 3.50 left in the 4th. He played a longer stretch than any other player in the second half, so it only stands to reason he was taken out at that point, and wasn't put in a position where he had to play half the third and the entire 4th.

It's not like Donte was benched, he just played max minutes.

If he had made a mistake or didn't make a shot in the remaining minutes, and they still lost, fingers would be pointed at why did he play so long.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It really speaks to the complaints in here about the rotations or who should be benched, when y'all don't take into account the same type of complaints would exist if the initial complaint is addressed.

Case in point:

Complaints about Kerr putting Poole in a main offensive role off the bench, which is only a natural course of action given he's supposed to be ushering in the next era for this team. But when he's put in the starting lineup to address that issue, so he can play alongside Steph, Dray, Klay etc, where he can pick his spots and isn't relied upon to create offense like he would coming off the bench, there's complaints about that.

It seems they're damned if they have Poole coming off the bench, and damned starting him if you follow the train of thought in here.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

I have a bridge to sell you if you think that’ll stop Klay from doing that. If he’s still doing this shyt at 33 - nothing will stop him. You threaten with cutting off his hand and he’ll still go out there and do that shyt. How many times over his career has he done this, even through all the conversations he would've had to be more mindful of what he's doing out there? They literally went through this earlier in the season where he had to be pulled aside.

And the thing is, effectively, he had already been sent to the bench in the 3rd quarter (going 1-6 during that period).

When he returned in the 4th, he went 2-4 from the field (before that final shot), so why would Kerr bench him when he was the only player other than Kuminga who was actually hitting his shots at that stage of the game?

Over the last eight minutes of the contest:

Steph, Poole, Donte, Dray, Looney - 0 field goals
Klay - 2 out of 4* field goals.

Given what is stated above, what stage of the game should have Klay been benched where he wasn't?

I'd imagine Wiggins was kept on the bench because he's still not in the right physical state, so I doubt Kerr wanted to compound that with having another starter off the floor. If he did that, and the Nets still won, fingers would be pointed at why did Kerr have Wiggins and Klay on the bench down the stretch.

Donte got taken out because he entered the game with six minutes remaining in the 3rd, and played all the way until there was 3.50 left in the 4th. He played a longer stretch than any other player in the second half, so it only stands to reason he was taken out at that point, and wasn't put in a position where he had to play half the third and the entire 4th.

It's not like Donte was benched, he just played max minutes.

If he had made a mistake or didn't make a shot in the remaining minutes, and they still lost, fingers would be pointed at why did he play so long.

It was times in past games where Klay was on his playmaking shyt and that shyt opened up the offense crazy.. he was crashing the boards and everything… I know be always in killer mode but I wish he can just notice if it ain’t going let the offense come to him, playmake and move.. he will get the ball back

 

[Don Homer]

 

[Don Homer]

Also

 

[aceboon]

I didn't realize the FO had tricked off that much draft capital

 

[Don Homer]

I didn't realize the FO had tricked off that much draft capital

a ridiculous amount of misses

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Sounds like the vets want the Warriors to trade Wiseman for a proper big. Another L for @Squirrel The Casual Man.

 

[Squirrel from Meteor Man]

Sounds like the vets want the Warriors to trade Wiseman for a proper big. Another L for @Squirrel The Casual Man.

How is that an L? How about it shows he’s their only valuable asset. The rest of the roster outside of Steph and Poole don’t move the needle for anybody. Remember when you said Kuminga was a superstar?


And guess what? Trading Wiseman wouldn’t help them win any games against teams over .500 I hope they do so he can know what it feels like to have a real coach.

Picture wasting a roster spot on the corpse of Igoudala and thinking Wiseman is the issue with the roster. The window is shut and you can thank Graymond Dreen, Bob Myers and Steve Kerr

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

How about it shows he’s their only valuable asset.

 

[King Eros]

Someone mention BIG WISE?

 

[King Eros]

Which teams have blown the most 4th quarter leads this year?

Dubs have to be near the top.


This is one of the most alarming stats to me. Shows a lack of mental toughness and killer instinct. Maybe some lazy coaching too.

Can it change later in the season? Of course. These guys are multiple time champs.

Does it HAVE to change to challenge for a chip? Also of course.

 

[aceboon]

After reading that Bob Myers article in The Athletic I wouldn't be surprised if he moves on after the season

 

[King Eros]

After reading that Bob Myers article in The Athletic I wouldn't be surprised if he moves on after the season

Can you paste it in here? Paywall.

 

[aceboon]

Can you paste it in here? Paywall.

Spoiler: Myers pt1

For all the nuance that surrounds the situation, this much is clear: team and league sources, who like all of the sources in this story were granted anonymity so they could speak freely, say Myers believes he should be among the highest-paid front office executives in the league, if not the highest. He’s been the architect of four NBA title teams, was the lead recruiter in the Durant free agency signing, and has been the trusted conduit between players, coaches and ownership. Myers also has served as chief problem solver, the coolant in an ecosystem that periodically overheats.

Myers, who declined comment for this story, would strongly prefer his contract situation stay out of the spotlight as the Warriors try to defend their title. He has managed to keep all of his past negotiations largely behind the scenes. But the expiring status – and perceived obtainability – of one of the NBA’s most sought after executives looms as one of the most significant under-the-surface stories in the league. And money, as is almost always the case, appears to be at the core of this potential divide.

Joe Lacob told The Athletic’s Tim Kawakami in early January that Myers is already “top three among general managers” in pay. That’s where a disagreement clearly lies.

According to several people with ballpark knowledge of executive salaries around the league, Myers falls somewhere in the range of either sixth, seventh or eighth on the base salary totem pole.

While front office salaries are typically kept even more private than those of coaches, executives such as Philadelphia’s Daryl Morey, Toronto’s Masai Ujiri, Miami’s Pat Riley, Minnesota’s Tim Connelly, San Antonio’s R.C. Buford and New York’s Leon Rose are considered by industry experts to be among the highest paid, and likely above Myers, when it comes to annual salary. The upper echelon of executives, league sources say, make upwards of $10 million. Incentives are often added to these deals. Myers reached an incentive for the Warriors winning this past title.

Money may not be the only factor. Some existential pondering is possibly undergirding these negotiations. Part of the equation for Myers, known for his deep conversations and intellectual curiosity, is the contemplation of what’s next. After more than a decade of building a dynasty, and managing it through the intensity of modern scrutiny, and living beneath the relentless pressure of the Warriors’ championship standard, might Myers be interested in a new challenge? Would it be better for him and his family to move on, build up another franchise away from the Golden State fish bowl? He walked away from a successful career as a player agent to become an NBA executive. Is it now time to leave the front office behind and try his hand in another industry? He’s recently launched a mainstream podcast. Curry was his first guest.
Considering some of the opportunities that have come Myers’ way, who could blame him for wanting an elite offer from the Warriors? Most notably, the Sixers’ recruitment of Myers in the summer of 2018 spoke volumes about his value beyond the Warriors’ walls.

In the wake of the public relations disaster that was the Bryan Colangelo firing, the Sixers, sources say, went to extensive lengths to woo Myers. Philadelphia was prepared to put him atop the league’s payscale, or at least really close to it. Ultimately, Myers chose to stay put with the Warriors. If he were to leave Golden State this summer, he’d likely be the most sought after front office free agent on the market.