Hollywood gives up: Anti-woke white men will determine shows and movies in the future

[Silver Surfer]

Better then both shyty fantastic 4 movies. Your master was a fart cloud

You watched both and there was not a gay Black man kissing another man or a diversity woman group "stronger, faster" in unison

 

[KidJSoul]

Tho I know some of yall will gladly take that trade off to see less LGBTQ+ kissing in the corner of the screen for 0.1 seconds

Like clockwork

Damn i forgot all about that. One of the most unnecessary flagrant shoehorned gay shyt in recent memory. It's in every show now.

Maybe they'll stop shoehorning the gay shyt into everything

Oh no, no more 95 pound women beating up 350 pound men with a quick swiftness and thudding with every strike

Even if yall don't like gay people... it's crazy not to see the bigger picture of this

I'm all for more black owned and created productions, because it's not as if Hollywood was doing a great job at depicting black folks.

But to support the outright rollback of everything woke just because you don't like gay people? Idk

 

[Devilinurear]

You watched both and there was not a gay Black man kissing another man or a diversity woman group "stronger, faster" in unison

Probably would have made those fantastic 4 movies better.

 

[Silver Surfer]

Probably would have made those fantastic 4 movies better.

Yeah you like black men kissing on screen....noticed you didn't comment in the original post

 

[Piff Perkins]

The problem isn't allegedly woke content, it's bad writers and bad writing that is constantly elevated by studios. Even if studios stop making "woke" content (and I don't believe they'll stop, at all) we would still be left with bad stories, bad characters, and bad sequels/prequels. It's ironic that Variety is running that story alongside this one at the same time:


Art has always been influenced by politics and contemporary events. In the 1970s that meant Vietnam, disillusionment with the American dream, the crumbling of public trust in institutions (government, church, etc). I watched Rolling Thunder a few months ago and was thinking man, how many 1970 movies are there with a veteran returning from Vietnam only to find no place in society while being antagonized or ignored. In the 1980s, how many films were about capitalism success or women entering the corporate work force, or cynical suburban families. Nobody ever thought it was weird that most of the big 1980s comedies of the time featured white people living in big ass houses, in quaint suburban neighborhoods where everything seems perfect except for the people? Lynch addressed it head on by throwing it in your face: a return of 1950s suburbia but somewhere hidden behind the facade of normalcy there is danger, and underneath it all is something dark and ugly.


In terms of adaptions (books, comics, remakes, etc) it's hard to have good writing when "writers" who have never read/seen the original are constantly being hired. I have no issue with feminist or LGBTQ approaches to anything, but when that is the only lens someone can view a story from there's a problem. The funny thing is that all these people tell you exactly who they are. They brag about knowing nothing about the adapted work. They brag about not reading classic English literature or watching classic American (or European) film because "it's all about white people and patriarchy." You want better things? Hire better writers. You want more slop designed to target specific demographics? Keep hiring the same writers being hired today. The reason I don't think anything changes is because the studios/corporations don't give a shyt about quality: they want to target demographics like fast food. You know how you hear the "urban/black/Hispanic" McDonalds ad when you're driving in a black city, and then you hear the "regular"/white McDonalds ad when you're driving in a whiter area? That's all it is. Black LOTR. Gay Star Wars. It's about marketing slop to as many people as possible, and hiring wack people to create it on the cheap.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

It’s a backlash against the forced pandering but if you just tell a good story and the characters happen to be a certain way people don’t care

But making the Ghostbusters female for no reason of having gay stuff in Marvel for no apparent reason is pissing normal people off. So when these fanatics stand up nobody cares enough to put it back down

There is a whole heap of gay characters in Marvel Comics.

Homosexual Characters

marvel.fandom.com

All in all, superhero comics fandom is, was, and will probably always will be, toxic.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Don't know why you c00ns always act like black people are exempt when cacs complain about 'woke' culture, or why you think this will lead to some kind of Renaissance of black storytelling like they won't get us off their screens entirely

And most of the coli is over 30, so I know they remember the dearth of black stories during the late 2000s, when all we had were Tyler Perry movies, straight-to-DVD hood comedies, and slavery- and segregation-era black trauma porn.

 

[Toe Jay Simpson]

Don't know why you c00ns always act like black people are exempt when cacs complain about 'woke' culture, or why you think this will lead to some kind of Renaissance of black storytelling like they won't get us off their screens entirely

And most of the coli is over 30, so I know they remember the dearth of black stories during the late 2000s, when all we had were Tyler Perry movies, straight-to-DVD hood comedies, and slavery- and segregation-era black trauma porn.

Just say you wanna see some nikkas kissing at the end of the world breh. The movie about a talking dog.

 

[AquaCityBoy]

Just say you wanna see some nikkas kissing at the end of the world breh. The movie about a talking dog.

I don't know wtf you're saying here

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

The problem isn't allegedly woke content, it's bad writers and bad writing that is constantly elevated by studios. Even if studios stop making "woke" content (and I don't believe they'll stop, at all) we would still be left with bad stories, bad characters, and bad sequels/prequels. It's ironic that Variety is running that story alongside this one at the same time:


Art has always been influenced by politics and contemporary events. In the 1970s that meant Vietnam, disillusionment with the American dream, the crumbling of public trust in institutions (government, church, etc). I watched Rolling Thunder a few months ago and was thinking man, how many 1970 movies are there with a veteran returning from Vietnam only to find no place in society while being antagonized or ignored. In the 1980s, how many films were about capitalism success or women entering the corporate work force, or cynical suburban families. Nobody ever thought it was weird that most of the big 1980s comedies of the time featured white people living in big ass houses, in quaint suburban neighborhoods where everything seems perfect except for the people? Lynch addressed it head on by throwing it in your face: a return of 1950s suburbia but somewhere hidden behind the facade of normalcy there is danger, and underneath it all is something dark and ugly.


In terms of adaptions (books, comics, remakes, etc) it's hard to have good writing when "writers" who have never read/seen the original are constantly being hired. I have no issue with feminist or LGBTQ approaches to anything, but when that is the only lens someone can view a story from there's a problem. The funny thing is that all these people tell you exactly who they are. They brag about knowing nothing about the adapted work. They brag about not reading classic English literature or watching classic American (or European) film because "it's all about white people and patriarchy." You want better things? Hire better writers. You want more slop designed to target specific demographics? Keep hiring the same writers being hired today. The reason I don't think anything changes is because the studios/corporations don't give a shyt about quality: they want to target demographics like fast food. You know how you hear the "urban/black/Hispanic" McDonalds ad when you're driving in a black city, and then you hear the "regular"/white McDonalds ad when you're driving in a whiter area? That's all it is. Black LOTR. Gay Star Wars. It's about marketing slop to as many people as possible, and hiring wack people to create it on the cheap.

That's the exact issue: poor writing.
I wonder if the popularity of the MCU contributed to it because the worked on a simple formula and were making billions and receiving high praise

 

[Geek Nasty]

the black dollar still goes far in this country. its is the other groups that piggyback off black people

Exactly. Alphabet gang tied themselves to our fight for representation so now we get mentioned in the same breath as them.

 

[RickyDiBiase]

That's the exact issue: poor writing.
I wonder if the popularity of the MCU contributed to it because the worked on a simple formula and were making billions and receiving high praise

Poor writing has existed since people put quill to ink

It's not the cause for great concern and anxiety that some shyt isn't as good as another property. That's just how it is.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

Bruh you can’t tell me shyt like Marvel isn’t super cringe now. Everyone on here was bytching about the TLOU gay episode. I highly doubt this affects black roles in Hollywood. Hollywood has been trash since covid. A lot of it feels forced and contrived.

TLOU gay episode was good as hell

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

The problem isn't allegedly woke content, it's bad writers and bad writing that is constantly elevated by studios. Even if studios stop making "woke" content (and I don't believe they'll stop, at all) we would still be left with bad stories, bad characters, and bad sequels/prequels. It's ironic that Variety is running that story alongside this one at the same time:


Art has always been influenced by politics and contemporary events. In the 1970s that meant Vietnam, disillusionment with the American dream, the crumbling of public trust in institutions (government, church, etc). I watched Rolling Thunder a few months ago and was thinking man, how many 1970 movies are there with a veteran returning from Vietnam only to find no place in society while being antagonized or ignored. In the 1980s, how many films were about capitalism success or women entering the corporate work force, or cynical suburban families. Nobody ever thought it was weird that most of the big 1980s comedies of the time featured white people living in big ass houses, in quaint suburban neighborhoods where everything seems perfect except for the people? Lynch addressed it head on by throwing it in your face: a return of 1950s suburbia but somewhere hidden behind the facade of normalcy there is danger, and underneath it all is something dark and ugly.


In terms of adaptions (books, comics, remakes, etc) it's hard to have good writing when "writers" who have never read/seen the original are constantly being hired. I have no issue with feminist or LGBTQ approaches to anything, but when that is the only lens someone can view a story from there's a problem. The funny thing is that all these people tell you exactly who they are. They brag about knowing nothing about the adapted work. They brag about not reading classic English literature or watching classic American (or European) film because "it's all about white people and patriarchy." You want better things? Hire better writers. You want more slop designed to target specific demographics? Keep hiring the same writers being hired today. The reason I don't think anything changes is because the studios/corporations don't give a shyt about quality: they want to target demographics like fast food. You know how you hear the "urban/black/Hispanic" McDonalds ad when you're driving in a black city, and then you hear the "regular"/white McDonalds ad when you're driving in a whiter area? That's all it is. Black LOTR. Gay Star Wars. It's about marketing slop to as many people as possible, and hiring wack people to create it on the cheap.

Yup

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Poor writing has existed since people put quill to ink

It's not the cause for great concern and anxiety that some shyt isn't as good as another property. That's just how it is.

Poor writing wasn't the majority of the film.
It's even happening with the publishing industry with the popularity of romantasy.