Hitler has a Following in India

[zerozero]

Did we read the same article?

you should read it again. The Hitler store, the usage of Hitler meaning "bossy", etc is all just a historic usage of his name. The point is they aren't Nazis running around using this term

 

[The Real]

Did everyone want their freedom? Was the stage of World War II a time to call for it?

Well, there were many anticolonial independence movements all over Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean, and all of them preceded WWII. Indians, for example, had been campaigning for independence since long before the war, so it's not as if the excuse that it was the wrong time for such a campaign would let the British off the hook.

Are Indians praising Hitler because he was a patriot? I wasn't aware that the majority of the European Continent was German.

Well, by colonial logic, land outside your borders often rightfully belongs to you. That's another thing Hitler and the British had in common.

Would you consider what Nazi Germany did imperialism?

An aborted version of imperialism, maybe. Don't forget the Nazis made inroads into Africa and the Middle East and planned to actually take land there. I guess colonialism might be a better word. Aime Cesaire, for example, argued that the Reich was the first time in the modern era that European colonial techniques (the camps, population segregation, forced labor, etc) were applied en masse inside Europe to intra-European populations like Jews and Roma. I tend to agree that this is a dimension of the period that is often ignored by Eurocentric historians who see the activity of the Nazis as completely singular and with no precedents.

Hitler killed blacks. North Africans were treated as subhuman of all creeds.

I'm sure Indians would have had a better go of it.

I agree, Hitler would not have treated them well. The other point here though is that in a place like India, where the education system is both non-Western and not accessible to many people, a lot of people are going to have random, ignorant ideas about Hitler just because they don't know better.

This tells me otherwise
Blacks during the Holocaust

Yes, the Nazis treated Black people poorly, too. I'm not sure what you're getting at here, though. My claim isn't that the Nazis = Americans/Brits, but rather that irony is present in both cases. The Nazis utopian ideals were not the same as the utopian ideals of the Brits or Americans, but against the idea that one included freedom and rights for all, I'm saying that the Euro-American ideals were not meant to include Black and brown people, and so were particular. It wasn't a case of universal freedom vs tyranny. One vision was obviously worse than the other, but at the end of the day, neither one included freedom/sovereignty for non-Europeans. It's also worth pointing out that many of the Nazi ideas about eugenics and race were taken directly from American scientists, whose eugenic period in the 20s saw thousands of Black people forcibly sterilized, experimented on, etc.

I'm sorry Crown Imperialism isn't the same as slavery.

Agreed. I wasn't suggesting that it was.

 

[Crakface]

Hitler only has 103 followers on twitter. Hes played out.

 

[Prince.Skeletor]

the U.S. started the holocaust
get ur facts straight

Wouldn't have been no world wars if americans and american corporations didn't bankroll the Nazis.

 

[Wall]

There's over a billion people there... I bet even Kris Humphries got a following in India

 

[mbewane]

It's actually surprising...that people find this surprising. Leaders viewed as "strong" are always going to be appreciated by some, no matter where. Hell wasn't Mugabe or some other crazy calling himself "the Black Hitler"? It may have been some rebel leader though. You got neo-Nazis in Russia, the country where the Nazis killed the most. This happens even more so in countries were democracy may not be totally there yet so the advantage of having a strong leader are evident.

Look at this guy who just died there: Bal Thackeray: Most Controversial Quotes | India | Slide 3 | www.indiatimes.com

Anyway "Western" people gotta stop acting like Hitler was some kind of one-shot solitary lunatic that represents Evil itself. Camps were first experimented in Nambia before Hitler was in the equation, and genocides have been going on before, they "just" brought it to an unprecedented level of organisation and efficiency (helped by IBM, among others). The whole idea of Germans being "superior" was circulating before Hitler came into power. Jews (among others) were discriminated against all over Europe long before him, no surprise he found a lot of people outside Nazi Germany sharing his ideas and collaborating. And it's extremely convenient for Western people to have Hitler/Nazis as teh ultimate evil so as to conceal their/our own atrocities.

Oh and by the way Germany too was imperialistic, except that their imperialism was "local", as in conquering Europe. Not only overseas conquests qualify as "imperialism".

 

[newarkhiphop]

guess where he has a bigger following though

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Sort of, yes. In order to understand the connection, you have to look up the history of the discovery of the Indo-European language family and how it affected the construction of European racial identity after mixing with racial pseudoscience and early anthropology. The modern Indian identification with Hitler has a lot to do with that, and with the colonial history.

While I don't endorse Hitler support in any way, it also has to do with the colonial context and Hitler's status as "the enemy of my enemy." For example, while it is absurd to us, and in general, to think of Hitler as an admirable figure in any way, people in the West uncritically idolize and praise Winston Churchill all the time for fighting the Nazis, even though he refused to give India and other colonial territories independence (while sending their soldiers out to fight in the war.) I find that ironic and absurd as well.

There is no "modern indian identification" with Hitler. It's just a case of non-jews not viewing Hitler as evil personified like we've been trained to do here in the west. Hitler is a Jewish boogey-man, to everyone else he's just another tyrant.

 

[The Real]

There is no "modern indian identification" with Hitler. It's just a case of non-jews not viewing Hitler as evil personified like we've been trained to do here in the west. Hitler is a Jewish boogey-man, to everyone else he's just another tyrant.

I don't think it's a national phenomenon or anything, but look at those quotes mbewane posted. There is definitely an intentional bit of Nazi DNA in modern, right wing, Hindu nationalism, just like there is in Golden Dawn in Greece or other far right movements in Europe.

 

[Huellz Santana]

this is just dumb. even if you don't like churchill as an Indian, its dumb as fukk to idolize Hitler.​

 

[Type Username Here]

this is just dumb. even if you don't like churchill as an Indian, its dumb as fukk to idolize Hitler.​

Especially considering if he had his way, Indians would be wiped off the planet along with everyone who didn't fit the criteria.

I got the feeling reading through here that people don't really understand the Third Reich's ultimate goal.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I don't think it's a national phenomenon or anything, but look at those quotes mbewane posted. There is definitely an intentional bit of Nazi DNA in modern, right wing, Hindu nationalism, just like there is in Golden Dawn in Greece or other far right movements in Europe.

Every extreme nationalist faction will have something in common with Hitler, that's not something unique to Indians as you've noted. Just because Hitler is an eternal enemy to the Jews doesn't mean everybody has to see him in the same light. He was one of the more interesting fanatical tyrants history has seen, that's really all there is to it.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

guess where he has a bigger following though

exactly. there are more neo-nazis in this country than in India which has a population of over 1 billion, but yet dudes in here acting outraged

and people responding to 88m3 the Jewish troll and taking him seriously

 

[The Real]

Every extreme nationalist faction will have something in common with Hitler, that's not something unique to Indians as you've noted. Just because Hitler is an eternal enemy to the Jews doesn't mean everybody has to see him in the same light. He was one of the more interesting fanatical tyrants history has seen, that's really all there is to it.

Yeah, but I'm saying that Hindu nationalism, like these European groups, deliberately draws on Nazism, so it's more than just extremists coincidentally ending up with Hitlerian similarities. There are pockets of intentional identification with Hitler.

 

[Techniec]

There's over a billion people there... I bet even Kris Humphries got a following in India