Hitler has a Following in India

[88m3]

It's true breh. I know you fancy yourself a harrumphing 18th century british lord for some reason but if you step out of that mental frame the excessive Churchill adulation in the UK and the US doesn't really examine his role from the perspective of other peoples. Dude was a racist imperialist and everything

Hitler wasn't a racist imperialist! Got it!
Thanks for clearing that up @zerozero

 

[The Real]

wow no just no

I get that you have a horse in this race but factually it falls short.

If you're Black, then you do, too...

What facts am I falling short on? Like I said, I don't think Churchill = Hitler, just that the general formula is the same. Hitler's "patriotism," uniting of Germany, etc, was inextricably linked with the demonization and genocide of Jews, Roma, and others. Similarly, the "freedom" Churchill was fighting for was not the freedom of Black or Brown people in the British empire, but was inextricably linked with their status as subjects of the crown. You can't separate one from the other historically, because that was the exact specificity of the situation- there was no sense that Hitler was bad because subjugation, colonial activity, etc, are universally wrong, but because his was an example of bad colonialism, as opposed to the good colonialism/empire of the British.

The same could be and was said of the US. It's the exact reason African American soldiers in WWII wore the double V symbol- they recognized the irony of their position as second-class citizens fighting against tyranny in foreign lands.

 

[zerozero]

Hitler wasn't a racist imperialist! Got it!
Thanks for clearing that up @zerozero

You are displaying the logic of a kindergartner right now. Do you understand that the nature of history causes different perspectives depending on who wrote it? Andrew Jackson was seen very differently by native americans vs WASP americans.

 

[MostReal]

disturbing

very

 

[88m3]

Yes, but the two are closely related, insofar as there is a great irony in fighting Nazis, citing their tyranny/invasions while refusing Black and brown people in your own empire their freedom and justifying your own colonial invasions.

By that logic, is the Indians praising Hitler for being a patriot, uniting Germans, etc is equally justifiable, since it's taking one decontextualized positive and ignoring its inextricable negative/other side of the coin? I'm not suggesting that Hitler and Churchill are the same, but both views seem uncritical to me.

It is pretty ironic.

Did everyone want their freedom? Was the stage of World War II a time to call for it?

Are Indians praising Hitler because he was a patriot? I wasn't aware that the majority of the European Continent was German.

Would you consider what Nazi Germany did imperialism?

Hitler killed blacks. North Africans were treated as subhuman of all creeds.


I'm sure Indians would have had a better go of it.

If you're Black, then you do, too...

What facts am I falling short on? Like I said, I don't think Churchill = Hitler, just that the general formula is the same. Hitler's "patriotism," uniting of Germany, etc, was inextricably linked with the demonization and genocide of Jews, Roma, and others. Similarly, the "freedom" Churchill was fighting for was not the freedom of Black or Brown people in the British empire, but was inextricably linked with their status as subjects of the crown. You can't separate one from the other historically, because that was the exact specificity of the situation- there was no sense that Hitler was bad because subjugation, colonial activity, etc, are universally wrong, but because his was an example of bad colonialism, as opposed to the good colonialism/empire of the British.

The same could be and was said of the US. It's the exact reason African American soldiers in WWII wore the double V symbol- they recognized the irony of their position as second-class citizens fighting against tyranny in foreign lands.

Blacks .
This tells me otherwise
Blacks during the Holocaust

I'm sorry Crown Imperialism isn't the same as slavery.


I honestly could careless about the United States.

 

[zerozero]

It is pretty ironic.

Did everyone want their freedom? Was the stage of World War II a time to call for it?

Are Indians praising Hitler because he was a patriot? I wasn't aware that the majority of the European Continent was German.

Would you consider what Nazi Germany did imperialism?

Hitler killed blacks. North Africans were treated as subhuman of all creeds.


I'm sure Indians would have had a better go of it.

I'm not talking about Hitler, I'm talking about Churchill. Every time is the right time to fight for freedom. Indians already fought in World War I and got nothing. Millions of Indians died from starvation with Churchill writing bullsh1t jokes like "why isn't gandhi dead yet?" and that Indians will breed "like rabbits" anyway while Indians were overseas fighting in WWII. And we're supposed to be all appreciative of him cause he gave some speech about the UK never surrendering?

 

[88m3]

You are displaying the logic of a kindergartner right now. Do you understand that the nature of history causes different perspectives depending on who wrote it? Andrew Jackson was seen very differently by native americans vs WASP americans.

I'm very aware of that fact. For some reason the only people who look up to Hitler are White Nationalists and Indians apparently. Wanna to tick off some redeemable qualities of Hitler while we're here?

 

[Type Username Here]

My Saudi friends said in schools they are taught that Hitler was misunderstood.

Didn't know Indians felt the same way. What's the reason for this?

 

[Bud Bundy]

if they follow the caste system i can see how they would idolize Hitler.

 

[zerozero]

I'm very aware of that fact. For some reason the only people who look up to Hitler are White Nationalists and Indians apparently. Wanna to tick off some redeemable qualities of Hitler while we're here?

It's not about redeeming, it's about facts. You sound ignorant of history. If Hitler had stopped before Czechoslovakia people's understanding of the fascists would have turned out very differently. The basic point is that the viewpoint of people halfway across the world suffering under british imperialism re: world war 2 would be very different than the viewpoint of the UK about WW2

 

[IrishBrother]

I'm not talking about Hitler, I'm talking about Churchill. Every time is the right time to fight for freedom. Indians already fought in World War I and got nothing. Millions of Indians died from starvation with Churchill writing bullsh1t jokes like "why isn't gandhi dead yet?" and that Indians will breed "like rabbits" anyway while Indians were overseas fighting in WWII. And we're supposed to be all appreciative of him cause he gave some speech about the UK never surrendering?

He was a bollix, but had great wit. When he was on a lecture tour in the US just after the war, he was leaving after one of his engagements when he was accosted by a large angry woman protesting about India.

"Mr Churchill! " she demanded rather forcefully, "what are you going to do with your Indians?"

He pauses, removes the cigar from his mouth and growls.

"Leastways madam, not what you did with yours"

 

[88m3]

I'm not talking about Hitler, I'm talking about Churchill. Every time is the right time to fight for freedom. Indians already fought in World War I and got nothing. Millions of Indians died from starvation with Churchill writing bullsh1t jokes like "why isn't gandhi dead yet?" and that Indians will breed "like rabbits" anyway while Indians were overseas fighting in WWII. And we're supposed to be all appreciative of him cause he gave some speech about the UK never surrendering?

I wasn't aware India was promised their freedom for fighting in WWI.
I've got part of Churchills Biography downstairs. He wasn't much of a leader and I don't put him on a pedestal.

At least you got a language and infrastructure you've made out better than a lot of countries.

It's not about redeeming, it's about facts. You sound ignorant of history. If Hitler had stopped before Czechoslovakia people's understanding of the fascists would have turned out very differently. The basic point is that the viewpoint of people halfway across the world suffering under british imperialism re: world war 2 would be very different than the viewpoint of the UK about WW2

Yet here we are in the present day and Indians have an admiration for Hitler. If you were making the argument for Indians during WWII it's slightly more understandable although unbelievably selfish.
At least Indians of the time can argue ignorance right?

 

[IrishBrother]

I wasn't aware India was promised their freedom for fighting in WWI.
I've got part of Churchills Biography downstairs. He wasn't much of a leader and I don't put him on a pedestal.

At least you got a language and infrastructure you made out better than a lot of countries.

...Sir Winston Churchill may be one of Britain's greatest wartime leaders, but in India he has been blamed for allowing more than a million people to die of starvation.

Winston Churchill said Britain could not spare the ships to transport emergency supplies....

According to a new book on the famine, Sir Winston ignored pleas for emergency food aid for millions in Bengal left to starve as their rice paddies were turned over to jute for sandbag production and supplies of rice from Burma stopped after Japanese occupation.....

....Between one and three million died of hunger in 1943....

..."It wasn't a question of Churchill being inept: sending relief to Bengal was raised repeatedly and he and his close associates thwarted every effort," the author said....

....The man-made famine and the contrast between the plight of starving Indians and well-fed British officers dining in the city's many colonial clubs has been described as one of the darkest chapters in British rule on the Indian subcontinent.....

Miss Mukerjee blames Churchill's 'racism' for his refusal to intervene.
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"Winston's racist hatred was due to his loving the empire in the way a jealous husband loves his trophy wife: he would rather destroy it than let it go," said Miss Mukerjee....

~ Man from Mombasa ~: Winston Churchill~1mil Deaths in India Famine ...

 

[zerozero]

Yet here we are in the present day and Indians have an admiration for Hitler. If you were making the argument for Indians during WWII it's slightly more understandable although unbelievably selfish.
At least Indians of the time can argue ignorance right?

The article is about a half dozen examples of Hitler used as a historical figure. the only guys who "admire" him are some hindu nationalist types. The point is that even today the meaning of a european world war for indians is going to be different than it was for europeans

 

[88m3]

The article is about a half dozen examples of Hitler used as a historical figure. the only guys who "admire" him are some hindu nationalist types.

Did we read the same article?