Hitboy airs out Kanye and says he's trapped in a bad deal as well

[New Jeruz Jewelz]

Being independent is tough. It’s understandable why a lot of artists don’t do it

That’s what the huge record labels want everyone to continue to believe. Trust they’re struggling to keep this thought process as the norm as urban generational wealth increases, even if minuscule. Diddys kids can negotiate from a different space. It’s what Budden is trying to do in podcasting but us blacks hate to see a first that breaks in or the ones that break in add an additional lock to the gate! Social media is a free fan building tool. The big record business isn’t as necessary as they want every artist to believe. You have direct connections to your fan base.

You have artists that literally talk to millions of their fans directly, create and plug their own music just to let some talentless Jew or Jew offspring control your art & collect the lions share when it profits!

 

[Sauce Dab]

That’s what the huge record labels want everyone to continue to believe. Trust they’re struggling to keep this thought process as the norm as urban generational wealth increases, even if minuscule. Diddys kids can negotiate from a different space. It’s what Budden is trying to do in podcasting but us blacks hate to see a first that breaks in or the ones that break in add an additional lock to the gate! Social media is a free fan building tool. The big record business isn’t as necessary as they want every artist to believe. You have direct connections to your fan base.

You have artists that literally talk to millions of their fans directly, create and plug their own music just to let some talentless Jew or Jew offspring control your art & collect the lions share when it profits!

Social media numbers don’t equal real support. You don’t NEED labels to have a career but they do help. Being independent is hella hard, artists in the industry have said this. I’m not just saying it just to say it

 

[tremonthustler1]

That’s what the huge record labels want everyone to continue to believe. Trust they’re struggling to keep this thought process as the norm as urban generational wealth increases, even if minuscule. Diddys kids can negotiate from a different space. It’s what Budden is trying to do in podcasting but us blacks hate to see a first that breaks in or the ones that break in add an additional lock to the gate! Social media is a free fan building tool. The big record business isn’t as necessary as they want every artist to believe. You have direct connections to your fan base.

You have artists that literally talk to millions of their fans directly, create and plug their own music just to let some talentless Jew or Jew offspring control your art & collect the lions share when it profits!

then do that, but there's artists who just don't want to have to keep putting in all that grunt work. Also, having a country full of fans on IG or Twitter or whatever doesn't guarantee you anything. Katy Perry has 100 million followers on IG or something. That didn't lead to shyt for her last album. Being on a major opens doors that indies can't. I remember reading somewhere that if you wanna tour using big ass venues, unless you're some massive legacy act, they tend to only fukk with artists who do big numbers on majors because they know they'll get a good ROI (either that or you better have Chance The Rapper-like connects).

Joe gets Spotify money and he can take his podcast on tour. He probably couldn't have gotten those venues booked without that Spotify affiliation.


It goes back to when it seemed like every halfway decent act wound up on Koch bragging about their $8 a record and 50 Cent was like "if it was so damn lucrative, how come I'm not there? How come Jay-Z ain't signed to Koch?"

 

[Michael's Black Son]

It didn’t give him a chance to add himself as a co-producer

Bingo.

it’s like Puff showing up after the Hitmen produced a banger and he breathes into the mic and gets a co producer credit + publishing + the chance to scold you for getting placements without his “blessing”

God forbid a dude is more than a beatmaker, learns how to truly produce and sniff his paperwork with a fine tooth comb. I could only imagine what it’s like for cats doing Khaled tracks and this vulture shows up screaming on everything and saying his toddler son is the executive producer

 

[DontEemTry]

He has to feel some kinda way about Kings Disease getting accolades and rave reviews for the most part..compared to Nasir that got panned a lot

KD didn't make enough noise for Ye to give a fukk.

shyt as bad as Nasir was, it still made more noise than KD off the notoriety of the release and concept alone.

 

[Tommy Lee Jones]

record labels are not your friend and they don't give a fukk about you.

 

[New Jeruz Jewelz]

Social media numbers don’t equal real support. You don’t NEED labels to have a career but they do help. Being independent is hella hard, artists in the industry have said this. I’m not just saying it just to say it

You missing my point, clearly we see that follower numbers don’t translate into sales. My point is a small number of major players at the top conspire against all artists in order to maintain this false narrative that they’re needed.

If these small groups of majority owners lock everyone else out, essentially guaranteeing protection for their false narrative that you can’t succeed without them, this discussion of slave deals continue forever. They each work in concert with their limited peers to retain their top positions while still enjoying the vast majority of profit.

 

[New Jeruz Jewelz]

then do that, but there's artists who just don't want to have to keep putting in all that grunt work. Also, having a country full of fans on IG or Twitter or whatever doesn't guarantee you anything. Katy Perry has 100 million followers on IG or something. That didn't lead to shyt for her last album. Being on a major opens doors that indies can't. I remember reading somewhere that if you wanna tour using big ass venues, unless you're some massive legacy act, they tend to only fukk with artists who do big numbers on majors because they know they'll get a good ROI (either that or you better have Chance The Rapper-like connects).

Joe gets Spotify money and he can take his podcast on tour. He probably couldn't have gotten those venues booked without that Spotify affiliation.


It goes back to when it seemed like every halfway decent act wound up on Koch bragging about their $8 a record and 50 Cent was like "if it was so damn lucrative, how come I'm not there? How come Jay-Z ain't signed to Koch?"

I hear you but you’re missing my point. See my response to the other poster regarding this not being about follower numbers. That is a piece to this puzzle tho, as there’s other methods to generate revenue on social media that still translates to profits. It’s an imaginary ceiling that’s protected by a small percent of majority owners.

 

[Juggalo Fred]

It’s crazy how the more things progress you start to appreciate the tech9s of the world who are truly making money from their music being independent

Yep

People like Tech ane ICP are set for life and never sold their soul to the man


Esham made a million off rap independently before he was 25

 

[Unknown Poster]

Being independent is tough. It’s understandable why a lot of artists don’t do it

I couldn't imagine not being independent though. I release music whenever I want. When you signed to a major you can't just do that...there's too many hands on your work and so much red tape that needs to be cut through.

We don't need labels in 2020. Especially with digital distribution services, soundcloud, bandcamp, youtube, and social media like twitter and facebook. Sure they have the tools and the resources to take your music to the next level, but then you're trapped in a contract that may have terms that will be hard to negotiate in the future.

 

[Urbanmiracle]

Every artist that’s signed is in a bad deal. Taylor Swift and are 2 of the biggest artists in the world and even they signed bad deals. If 2 of the biggest artists with the most “power” is getting fukked then you already know everybody else is too

totally forgot about Taylor suing I believe her former label or manager for royalties from her earlier hits I think. You are correct sir!

 

[Unknown Poster]

It’s crazy how the more things progress you start to appreciate the tech9s of the world who are truly making money from their music being independent

This.

Tech 9ine makes a killing on the independent circuit.

I mean what really is the point of being on a label now? I hear and read way too many horror stories of cats signed to 5 people and they can't even make money without having to give it to 10 people before hand and they left with crumbs. Labels that sign young up and coming artists...only to shelve them and have them send their best songs and beats to build up another artist that label has invested in. Artists that end up broke and penniless living in a hotel room in 5 years time. Artists not owning thier masters or publishing. These record labels that take advantage of young kids that have never seen real money before and know they can bleed them for hits and throw them to the wayside for another artist who will continue the cycle.

Imagine being some naive bright eyed 19 year old...who just got offered a million dollar deal for some raps that got viral from wshh/twitter/youtube...

They've probably never worked a real job before or seen real money like that...and these labels just act like Wake Up Now scammers dangling dreams of mansions, designer clothes, foreign cars, and IG thots in their faces.

So they end up blowing through all that money buying Raf on grailed and Balenciaga sneakers.
Not knowing they have to recoup that.

so then it's time to release that first album after the succesful mixtape...you on No Jumper, Breakfast Club, tryna promote the album...Akademiks bytch ass talking bout you...then album releases...

It bricks and sells 4,000 copies first week.
Now you fukked up in the game.
Labels don't see a return on their investment
So they cut their losses and drop you from the label
Now you're no longer on the label and in debt to them.
And you signed to 5 different nikkas




Fast forward...3 years later.

This rapper is now HOMELESS and living in a car.
Went from fukking bad bytches
In a 6 bedroom, 5 bathroom mansion
Holding money phones to his ear for IG
doing molly, xans, drinking lean,
to struggling to find a clean bathroom in a Burger King.
Mansion foreclosed
Cars repossessed
Had to sell all they jewelry at the pawn shop and got 35% of what they paid for it

 

[CHICAGOrilla]

It didn’t give him a chance to add himself as a co-producer

nikka wouldn’t have did nothin but added some random screaming Jamaican at the end like he did for most of the GOOD Fridays and Yeezus era songs he had a hand in

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

fukk a ye

 

[BuckFilly]

I think hit was working with b right around the time hov missed his wedding