HipHopDX.com asks: Has the south ruined hip hop?

[Cynic]

I'm from the west coast so i have no excess love for NY than any other place.

But i will say this. NEW YORK DID NOT RUIN HIPHOP TRYING TO SOUND LIKE THE SOUTH.

The reason...and ask yourself this question. What was the reason for NY mcees trying to get a southern sound? WHY DO THAT?

because NY radio and other outlets were not pushing NY sounding music. thats a FACT. therefore in order to make a living being a rapper. you had no choice but to get with the program and become Fake East coast south. did it sound like trash?YUP. but so does most of the south from the south stuff. but they have a following. so they will promote trash like its diamonds.

East coast wont get behind a garbage wanna be southern mcee from the east.
So its a damned if you do, damned if you dont situation.

What ruined hiphop IS THE SOUTH. it says it in this article.




The moment the south allowed STRIPPERS to dictate whats hot and whats not. Hiphop was developed for the most part BY MEN. we know there were some ladies that can thru and crushed the buildings. all praises due to them. and we know there were others that fell off that shouldnt have strictly due to them being ladies. that aint right either. BUT one thing we do know. as a listener. You never let women tell you what hiphop to listen to on an everyday basis. Sure your girl or some girl could put you up on ONE artist or one song here and wayyyyy over there. but no way shape or form should STRIPPERS(that are usually drunk and high), tell Dudes what's hot and what's not.

Women Like SIMPLE hooks, that they can sing too
Women Like Simple verses(just like in R&B songs)

why do you think when Joe Budden was talking to that fool Tax on his podcast.
Tax asked him about his Def jam days and if he was still mad about how L.A. Reid did him. Budden answered by saying, " L.A. Reid wanted everyone to turn in music that was ...LESS WORDY." Which means MORE LIKE R&B songs. Do you know why that is? Because L.A. Reid came from a R&B background. and he knows how to sell records to women. Not men.

The moment you allow women to dictate what hiphop sounds like. you will have mostly ignorant, super light hearted, less lyrical, the same clubish beats. because even when women respect better hiphop(they do, they still will tell you that the old stuff was better(those that are old enough to remember)...women have something in them that just resonates with sing alongs more so than even guys. i'm not sure what that is. or where that comes from. there's a reason women like to listen to SINGERS more then they do rappers. if they have a choice.

It's commerce...women spend more on music, are less likely to download illegally and more likely to buy concert tickets

Technology also served as a doubled edged sword too.

So it's a cop-out to just bash women when they are the ones buying the content and keeping artists paid

Women are by in large into vibes and emotions... even when they tell stories they tell you about the emotions
they felt at that moment or that were experienced by a third party.
Even when you sell to regular women.... you can close a sale on vibes/emotion

We tend to get straight down the facts...logic and other stuff
Regular men are cheap AF....so when selling to rich men
you have to have a logical basis for the purchase

probably pays a part in buying decisions too ....

"Why should I buy this cornballs album when I can download it for free" = men


"He's handsome and made me feel good. he's so sweet...where's my credit card"= women

 

[rapbeats]

Good music is subjective...what about that don't you get ?

I like this era. You clearly don't. So either do something about it or keep it pushing.

GOOD music is not nearly as subjective as you claim it to be.

I can rattle off 10 mcees or 10 albums and i guarantee i would get 85% or higher upvote for all those classic albums. WHY? because they were well known as being CLASSIC(QUALITY) albums.

yes we like different things but even in that we can agree on some obvious hit albums.

What yall try to do is convince us trash is gold. it's not. it's trash. now sure trash with a bouncing beat can work in a club when you're half drunk and or high on a friday payday.

but that ish is not HOT mid week when i'm driving to work. it aint. now if you're from this era. thats all you have to call your own so you will try to protect it like its your own baby. but you know and i know. the music this era listens to is HOT Trash for the most part. there are very very few gems. in the 90's. very early 00's. there were TONS of GEms, and only a little trash. Complete flip nowadays.

Why is it that i loved the south in the 90's but i hate the south now? Please explain that to me?
Why is it that i love The east in the 90's but i Hate it NOW

i'm barely liking the west coast only recently since we got off that nonsense too.

If you ever want to get an unbiased opinion on hiphop. ask someone from Los Angeles. We are by far the most unbiased party out of the regions because we always grew up on radio that played EVERY THING. there was no super west coast radio station on banging out west coast music. it didnt work like that. we were all up on the east early on in radio and hiphop getting together. then we were all up on a nice mix of east, west, then a nice mix with east , west and south. even outside of the radio. we were still playing heavy east, heavy west, and heavy south in L.A.

There is no animosity from L.A. But when i tell you, your southern music is NONSENSE. i mean it. its TRASH, it souns RETARDED just like heh article says. and i have some people that moved to the ATL to go to college and stayed there even after college. some in the that tried to slide into the rap game. They started to come around to that trash new south sound to. since thats all yall play out there. no one has a choice to like anything else. you're brainwashed into thinking these future songs are actually HOT.

 

[rapbeats]

It's commerce...women spend more on music, are less likely to download illegally and more likely to buy concert tickets

Technology also served as a doubled edged sword too.

So it's a cop-out to just bash women when they are the ones buying the content and keeping artists paid

Women are by in large into vibes and emotions... even when they tell stories they tell you about the emotions
they felt at that moment or that were experienced by a third party.
Even when you sell to regular women.... you can close a sale on vibes/emotion

We tend to get straight down the facts...logic and other stuff
Regular men are cheap AF....so when selling to rich men
you have to have a logical basis for the purchase

probably pays a part in buying decisions too ....

"Why should I buy this cornballs album when I can download it for free" = men


"He's handsome and made me feel good. he's so sweet...where's my credit card"= women

i agree. we could say men downloading like crazy caused the industry to look for the next best purchaser which were women. you could put that on all of us. but i will still say, i paid for Big puns album. I paid for Cam's album, I had other people buying that dipset, this was during the napster, post napster era. where downloads were running wild. then the torrents, etc. I was still buying QUALITY music. What i refuse to do is PAY for Low quality strip club music. Now i like that beat and silly a... hook enough. i might ...just boot leg it. (well that was awhile back. i dont even do that anymore cause there isnt a single song that makes me even want to move my chair in front of my computer to download it. i feel like its a waste of hard drive space at this point.

and i'm a streamer anyway. i rarely get real physical copies or even regulard downloadable files. i prefer to stream it since i'm always in the car to begin with.

 

[Knicksman20]

Good music is subjective...what about that don't you get ?

I like this era. You clearly don't. So either do something about it or keep it pushing.

Like I said, mine & others points flew right over your dome because you refuse to acknowledge the problem

 

[Cynic]

GOOD music is not nearly as subjective as you claim it to be.

I can rattle off 10 mcees or 10 albums and i guarantee i would get 85% or higher upvote for all those classic albums. WHY? because they were well known as being CLASSIC(QUALITY) albums.

yes we like different things but even in that we can agree on some obvious hit albums.

What yall try to do is convince us trash is gold. it's not. it's trash. now sure trash with a bouncing beat can work in a club when you're half drunk and or high on a friday payday.

but that ish is not HOT mid week when i'm driving to work. it aint. now if you're from this era. thats all you have to call your own so you will try to protect it like its your own baby. but you know and i know. the music this era listens to is HOT Trash for the most part. there are very very few gems. in the 90's. very early 00's. there were TONS of GEms, and only a little trash. Complete flip nowadays.

Why is it that i loved the south in the 90's but i hate the south now? Please explain that to me?
Why is it that i love The east in the 90's but i Hate it NOW

i'm barely liking the west coast only recently since we got off that nonsense too.

If you ever want to get an unbiased opinion on hiphop. ask someone from Los Angeles. We are by far the most unbiased party out of the regions because we always grew up on radio that played EVERY THING. there was no super west coast radio station on banging out west coast music. it didnt work like that. we were all up on the east early on in radio and hiphop getting together. then we were all up on a nice mix of east, west, then a nice mix with east , west and south. even outside of the radio. we were still playing heavy east, heavy west, and heavy south in L.A.

There is no animosity from L.A. But when i tell you, your southern music is NONSENSE. i mean it. its TRASH, it souns RETARDED just like heh article says. and i have some people that moved to the ATL to go to college and stayed there even after college. some in the that tried to slide into the rap game. They started to come around to that trash new south sound to. since thats all yall play out there. no one has a choice to like anything else. you're brainwashed into thinking these future songs are actually HOT.

It is though.


There are 80s heads who can make a full argument on why illmatic is trash
with solid points too.

First off i'm from New York not the south. To be honest all through my youth I was extremely biased

Not one West Coast album got burn from me, not even The Chronic or Doggystyle.
I hated all that khaki wearing, laid back gang bangin; non-lyrical, bullsh!t
Lyrically you n!ggas were ass to me.....South didn't get no respect neither

I was a typical, NY all day everyday bumping Nas, Big, Jay, DMX, Pun, L, Cormega
Meth, GZA, The Lox, Rakim, Kane and KRS


I'm older now though and my bigotry for you cali n!ggas robbed me of Ice Cube and Dre
and my old standards serve me no purpose today.

We are in a different era, with different technology, with different standards so
why would I apply my outdated archaic views on "good music" to this era ?

There's too many variables for that to be an objective comparison

Soul-driven samples got fazed out for 808s ....Lyrics have been dropped for flow
These are the standards of today ...so I listen to todays music with context NOT
with a jaded jilted ex-lover type bias like some of you nostalgic n!ggas

The 90s were great ....I loved them ...late 90s-early 00s will always be my personal fave

I hated the laffy taffy ringtone era and hated Wayne with a passion but f*kk it
I got Carter II till FWA on my phone.

Sh!t I just started getting into UGK....next after that is No Limit and this is just Hip hop

I've got Babyface, James Brown, Al Green, Prince, Rick James, Earth Wind Fire and
a lot of Motown records to listen to.


I love music...I can flip between early blues like LeadBelly and MuddyWaters to The Rolling Stones
to Michael Jackson...then put on some New Edition to Jodeci to August Alsina only to finish off with
Biggie to Kanye to Young Thug and thoroughly enjoy it..

Then if I get an itch for lyrics there's Tonedeff, Lupe, MF Doom, Immortal Technique, Chino XL ,Nas etc.......


As for LA n!ggas, I got cousins from there. You n!ggas are the least progressive of all.....
You got n!ggas still representing colors and dying over..some old n!ggas who disagreed over a bytch

Doesn't stop me from banging Nipssey Hussle and Kendrick though

 

[Cynic]

Like I said, mine & others points flew right over your dome because you refuse to acknowledge the problem

There is no problem. Hip hop is still here...records are still being sold, concerts attended and fans lives are still being touched

This isn't Disco breh.

What you have a problem with is music today not being "good" like the 90s , correct ?

but how "good" something is relative .......


What are you thoughts on Joey Badass ?

 

[rapbeats]

It is though.


There are 80s heads who can make a full argument on why illmatic is trash
with solid points too.

First off i'm from New York not the south. To be honest all through my youth I was extremely biased

Not one West Coast album got burn from me, not even The Chronic or Doggystyle.
I hated all that khaki wearing, laid back gang bangin; non-lyrical, bullsh!t
Lyrically you n!ggas were ass to me.....South didn't get no respect neither

I was a typical, NY all day everyday bumping Nas, Big, Jay, DMX, Pun, L, Cormega
Meth, GZA, The Lox, Rakim, Kane and KRS


I'm older now though and my bigotry for you cali n!ggas robbed me of Ice Cube and Dre
and my old standards serve me no purpose today.

We are in a different era, with different technology, with different standards so
why would I apply my outdated archaic views on "good music" to this era ?

There's too many variables for that to be an objective comparison

Soul-driven samples got fazed out for 808s ....Lyrics have been dropped for flow
These are the standards of today ...so I listen to todays music with context NOT
with a jaded jilted ex-lover type bias like some of you nostalgic n!ggas

The 90s were great ....I loved them ...late 90s-early 00s will always be my personal fave

I hated the laffy taffy ringtone era and hated Wayne with a passion but f*kk it
I got Carter II till FWA on my phone.

Sh!t I just started getting into UGK....next after that is No Limit and this is just Hip hop

I've got Babyface, James Brown, Al Green, Prince, Rick James, Earth Wind Fire and
a lot of Motown records to listen to.


I love music...I can flip between early blues like LeadBelly and MuddyWaters to The Rolling Stones
to Michael Jackson...then put on some New Edition to Jodeci to August Alsina only to finish off with
Biggie to Kanye to Young Thug and thoroughly enjoy it


As for LA n!ggas, I got cousins from there. You n!ggas are the least progressive of all.....
You got n!ggas still representing colors and dying over..some old n!ggas who disagreed over a bytch

Doesn't stop me from banging Nipssey Hussle and Kendrick though

AINT BUYING IT. like i said. MOST people would agree those classic albums were just that CLASSIC. sure there will always be contrarians or a few that really have a weird ear for music. the rest of us know whats obviously hot. now the other stuff is subjective to your point.

But i know good and well that Mjacks was one of the greatest to ever do it. sure you could find 2 idiots saying "he wasnt all dat" sounding like an idiot. but the rest of us KNOW that dude was the king of pop. thats my point. most of us can agree on OBVIOUS STARS.

 

[rapbeats]

There is no problem. Hip hop is still here...records are still being sold, concerts attended and fans lives are still being touched

This isn't Disco breh.

What you have a problem with is music today not being "good" like the 90s , correct ?

but how "good" something is relative .......


What are you thoughts on Joey Badass ?

it's not relative.

not in this discussion. you know how you can tell?

Listen to almost every rapper YOUNG and OLD era talk about THIS era's quality. THEY pretty much all admit. this era is suspect at best. then they back track and say "but there's some good music to listen to" then they start naming the stars they like (future is cool,....etc).
When you asked Rappers in the 90's. early 00's about the state of hiphop. they would start talking about how great it was and how there are all types of great artist doing their thing. and they wouldnt just say the word "ARTISTS" . They would stay mcees, rappers. meaning they would make sure to big up great Rapping ability. The new word for you can't rap but chicks still like your club songs is to say "but he's a good Artist"

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

don't make excuses for ODB

Odb was a Dusthead and drunk

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

If it wasn't for Uncle Luke and his push in the South back in the early '90s, I don't know where the fukk Hip Hop would be right now.

Probably better off

 

[IllmaticDelta]

If you ever want to get an unbiased opinion on hiphop. ask someone from Los Angeles. We are by far the most unbiased party out of the regions because we always grew up on radio that played EVERY THING. there was no super west coast radio station on banging out west coast music. it didnt work like that. we were all up on the east early on in radio and hiphop getting together. then we were all up on a nice mix of east, west, then a nice mix with east , west and south. even outside of the radio. we were still playing heavy east, heavy west, and heavy south in L.A.

There is no animosity from L.A. But when i tell you, your southern music is NONSENSE. i mean it. its TRASH, it souns RETARDED just like heh article says. and i have some people that moved to the ATL to go to college and stayed there even after college. some in the that tried to slide into the rap game. They started to come around to that trash new south sound to. since thats all yall play out there. no one has a choice to like anything else. you're brainwashed into thinking these future songs are actually HOT.

If you knew your history, your would know NYC thought the same way about West Coast rappers. East Coasters considered people out West, jeri curled wearing bammas with weird accents/slang That's why the East outside of Biggie/Bad Boy never jocked the West Coast style which is different from what happened later when NYC?East Coast started bouncing like they were from the South

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Probably better off

It would be deader from a commercial aspect. That's part of the reason the east started stealing sounds from the South because the South was bringing newer sounds to the game. The East started getting wack towards towards the later 90's when they started getting away from the boom bap and more into keyboard beats.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

son..I don't gotta make excuses for him...see u not really hearing what im saying and we going back and forth for nothing...once u see a ny cat diss the current crop of mainstream southern rappers...its he hates the south...son..ill tell u straight up ill rather bump some og southern hip hop..ugk, odd squad, geto boyz than listen to a lot of the stuff coming out of ny right..if u turn ur pride down some u would see we even agree on some stuff..i respect the south cuz to diss the south or blame the south for hip hops decline means i gotta graze scarface,3 stacks, ceelo who was my favorite rapper for a minute when the 1st goodie mobb dropped...and im not going to do that...but the truth is the truth and thats why im glad when a southern og like david banner steps up and call it what it is...this aint attack on the south and if i was from the south and proud of it i would want to distance my hood for anything thats corny...no matter how much light or money its getting...thats why u will never see me give love to a french whatever or any of those corny ny cats riding the souths wave...

Bottom line is NYC/East Coast fuked itself over and they shouldn't look anywhere else to place the blame. Are we gonna act like these songs weren't out in the mid 90's basically talking about East Coast jiggyness and West Coast gangsterism?

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

It would deader from a commercial aspect. That's part of the reason the east started stealing sounds from the South because the South was bringing newer sounds to the game. The East started getting wack towards towards the later 90's when they started getting away from the boom bap and more into keyboard beats.

East ran the l8 90s and early 2000s

50 dmx jay nas busta fab
Dipset beans dmx wu ja rule
Redman LL mase


Thats Off the top of the head

Then you had mobb deep and the lox who were more regional sounds but still going plat

South didn't have that star power or anything close to it as a whole

Jus master p(who was trash)
And cash money

Once 2004 hit
South took over

06 07 they distanced themselves from the east in star power

Luda ti outcask jeezy ross
Wayne plies boosie

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

Bottom line is NYC/East Coast fuked itself over and they shouldn't look anywhere else to place the blame. Are we gonna act like these songs weren't out in the mid 90's basically talking about East Coast jiggyness and West Coast gangsterism?

Common isn't from the eastcoast