HipHopDX.com asks: Has the south ruined hip hop?

[Playa With Tha Passport]

We know from audible POV that Southern HipHop is making more of an impact across all genres because you can hear the influences going into non-hiphop music. I can't say the same for the later 90's/early to mid 2000's East Coast sounds.




Commercial East Coast HipHOp had already sold out by the mid to late 90's. It didn't stay true to it's original formula/sounds. This is why we started getting a big divide in the underground-modern backpackers vs mainstream rap by the later 90's.




You can't depend on white people to keep your own genres economically alive because we've already saw the cycle, where if they are involved it makes the music more commercially popular (Jazz and Disco for example) and once they move on the genre suffers for a mainstream platform.




You do realize EVERY MAINSTREAM genre sales went down? This was clearly linked to downloading/internet bootlegging combined with a newer generation of music fans.





NOONE is selling albums at a high rate in any genre outside a few select people. When the industry was healthier, cat's from the South/southern sounding music that was considered mainstream was doing numbers

Only a few sold

More rappers from the borough of queens alone probably got more plat albums then the south


The south didn't takeover till early 2000s

Before that you had cash money and no limit

 

[315]

There are way too many hip hop artists and we have way too much access to them for this kind of thinking. There's shyt out there for everybody right now. Club shyt, trap shyt, quirky shyt, experimental shyt. These days I'm listening to fly shyt from literally every region and shyt I don't like barely exists to me because I'm not at the mercy of radio and TV anymore

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Only a few sold

The ones that were more considered more mainstream sold

More rappers from the borough of queens alone probably got more plat albums then the south

From the late 90's to now?

The south didn't takeover till early 2000s

Before that you had cash money and no limit

yes, the South started getting huge in the late 90's

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Yes yes and yes..again and again...we can agree...theres been bad hip hop in the past...what we saying is the bad hip hop now is on a whole other level of buffoonery and samboism.. it makes that stuff(ther jiggy era,Italian mob era) look pale in comparison...

HipHOp is more widespread now so that gives it the chance for more watering down/breaking of the rules/buffoonery. Think about it, West Coast gangsta and Miami booty shaking was looked at as buffoonery by the original NYC cats





@ 1:19

 

[rapbeats]

We know from audible POV that Southern HipHop is making more of an impact across all genres because you can hear the influences going into non-hiphop music. I can't say the same for the later 90's/early to mid 2000's East Coast sounds.




Commercial East Coast HipHOp had already sold out by the mid to late 90's. It didn't stay true to it's original formula/sounds. This is why we started getting a big divide in the underground-modern backpackers vs mainstream rap by the later 90's.




You can't depend on white people to keep your own genres economically alive because we've already saw the cycle, where if they are involved it makes the music more commercially popular (Jazz and Disco for example) and once they move on the genre suffers for a mainstream platform.




You do realize EVERY MAINSTREAM genre sales went down? This was clearly linked to downloading/internet bootlegging combined with a newer generation of music fans.





NOONE is selling albums at a high rate in any genre outside a few select people. When the industry was healthier, cat's from the South/southern sounding music that was considered mainstream was doing numbers

lol. you did all that to prove what? that the south music overall doesnt suck when it does? that its the main reason MOST artists when asked about the current state of hiphop(we're talking old rappers, r&b singers, to current ones from all over say the exact same thing about how everything sounds the same, everyone is doing basic trap music/strip club anthems.) there's nothing you can post to make those statements from all these interviews go away. i've heard it time and time again. and we keep hearing it. Why do you think the conversation keeps coming up? This is the only era that it keeps coming up.

And you talk about this era influencing other genres. lol. Thanks for making it easier for the white man to steal your soul. It was hard to duplicate the overall hiphop sound of the 80's and 90's. It's a piece of cake to mimic the stuff from today. You know why? because it ALL SOUNDS THE SAME. and its ALL SIMPLE MINDED music. for the most part.

You are proving my point.

 

[rapbeats]

HipHOp is more widespread now so that gives it the chance for more watering down/breaking of the rules/buffoonery. Think about it, West Coast gangsta and Miami booty shaking was looked at as buffoonery by the original NYC cats





@ 1:19

the problem when east coast old heads were mad at west coast g rap was that they didnt understand the west coast g culture. once they let it sit for awhile they realized OH I SEE. these dudes aint just talking about shooting and killing one another. or messing with chicks. they are talking about police brutality, and police killing unarmed black people and treating us like slaves in prison, etc. There were stories being told about the ghetto in first person and 3rd person. Sometimes people would confuse that with someone glorifying violence. NO, they were telling a story from that person's point of view.

This what we have here now.. there is no sugar coating it. there is no other way to look at it.

the southern hits are chosen by DRUNK STRIPPERS in STRIP CLUB.

 

[rapbeats]

this post is awarded out of a possible

you needed to praise the 90s more but other then that it was spot on for the rest in terms of flabby and sickness

this guy said sales dropped because of the quality of rap not strictly because of the avenues that opened up via the Internet file sharing boom...ever think rap wasn't the only genre that dropped in sales from the 2000s?

to refer to the modern south as some sort of fast food rap you can get anywhere is crazy, because you can ONLY get what they offer in its authentic form down there. Atlanta is keeping rap alive

no i said sales dropped mainly because the quality fell off. You know how i know? i was there buying cd's in the stores. I was there when these labels started charging 16 bucks for a CD with only 2 good songs on it. Now you're robbing me. I was there buying CD's before they allowed you to listen to them in the store before a purchase. So you could easily get duped into thinking it was a hot album when it had only a few hot songs. It was getting worse and worse. Then downloading came in. Everyone didnt know how to download early on. but it eventually caught on. yes that put a serious dent in sales. but that was not the only reason. The bad quality and now having an avenue to find out before hand if an album is trash or not was a reason to download and keep doing it since they kept trying to give you piece meal albums. its like ok you wanna cheat me, fine i'll cheat you back.

Ask me in the download era did i down load Big or Pac albums without buying the originals? ASK ME.

Ask me did a download any of the Wu hits during the download era without purchasing the real CD?

I was one of the early adopters to downloading and burning cd's as a youngin. me and my boys had the capabilities. But yet when it came to our hands down good music. it was being BOUGHT. What we were downloading were songs that we use to have(purchased) that some fool borrowed and never returned or got stolen out of your backpack or your car, etc. And remixes of stuff you never knew existed, unless you bought physical records.
People early on in the downloading era were buying mixtapes moreso than entire cd's of on artist. they were getting bootleg mixes of the hit songs put on one cd.
quiet as kept women once they got hip to downloading and bootlegs. they were prime targets for it. becase unlike dudes. they didnt care about cover art, or who produced what, or who wrote what song. They just wanted to hear the songs they wanted to hear. and if you would download it and toss it on a CD-R. fine by them. chicks didnt care one bit. Because ladies didnt care about hiphop like dudes do and did.

again. the south has drunk and high strippers choosing their music.

 

[Danie84]

With the exception of Outkast, UGK Three-Six-Mafia, Dungeon Family, Eightball & MJG, Trick

Daddy, Mystikal, Mia X, Fiend, Juvenile, T.I (before he switched), Curren$y, Little Brothers, J. Cole, Krit, Jeezy (he got better), yes Da South threw Hip-Hop in the bushes

 

[IllmaticDelta]

And you talk about this era influencing other genres. lol. Thanks for making it easier for the white man to steal your soul. It was hard to duplicate the overall hiphop sound of the 80's and 90's.

Actually it wasn't. The sounds of HipHop in those times went into to everything also. From 80's to early 90's HipHop you get offshoot sounds like Freestyle, Jungle, Drum and Bass, Modern R&B,Trip Hop, Breakbeat music etc...

It's a piece of cake to mimic the stuff from today. You know why? because it ALL SOUNDS THE SAME. and its ALL SIMPLE MINDED music. for the most part.

You are proving my point.

See above

 

[IllmaticDelta]

the problem when east coast old heads were mad at west coast g rap was that they didnt understand the west coast g culture.

They thought of west coast g rap as baffoonery with dudes with thick southern accents and jeri curls who killed over colors

once they let it sit for awhile they realized OH I SEE. these dudes aint just talking about shooting and killing one another. or messing with chicks. they are talking about police brutality, and police killing unarmed black people and treating us like slaves in prison, etc.

Most gangsta rap/f-funk wasn't about that

There were stories being told about the ghetto in first person and 3rd person. Sometimes people would confuse that with someone glorifying violence. NO, they were telling a story from that person's point of view.

This what we have here now.. there is no sugar coating it. there is no other way to look at it.

the southern hits are chosen by DRUNK STRIPPERS in STRIP CLUB.

There are many people from the oldschool who will argue Gangsta Rap did more negative than Strip club (crunk) or Booty music (miami bass)

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

The ones that were more considered more mainstream sold





From the late 90's to now?






yes, the South started getting huge in the late 90's

Meant to say platinum rappers*

And yes l8 90s till now

 

[Bawon Samedi]

Oh thats why the South dont move units as well?

Who say's only the South represent modern Hip Hop??

 

[Bawon Samedi]

I agree. The mid 2000s were way worse than today from a hip hop standpoint. I feel like the mid 00's through the late 00's(2004-2009) was the lowest point for hip-hop. So much trash in that era.

Soulja Boy, Crank Dat era, Laffy taffy,etc...

That's when I went completely underground or just listened to older artists like DMX, Tupac, Biggie,etc... And I was only 12-13!

 

[RoyalQ]

the greed and desperation of the music business ruined hip hop. over-saturation of artists with the same sound ruined hip hop. formula gimmick rappers ruined hip hop.

bingo. Too many rappers trying to make a quick buck and appeal to too wide an audience. They have no individuality anymore and everybody is trying to make club bangers and fast cash. There's not many rappers currently that will be here 5 years from now and thats a shame. everybody sounds the same, everybody is making trap turn up music, everybody is slurring. its dull. And they people who support it should take blame too. Support more diverse true hip hop and not the bozoes with hot beats.

 

[Penny 95]

No, the south has not ruined hip hop. Hip hop is alive and well. The major technological shift that happened in the late 90's and early 00's hurt the music industry, and the industry was slow to adapt which allowed illegal downloading to become so widespread for so long. The main issue the industry has now is trying to get young people that were born during the technological shift to pay for music when they've never had to. This is why streaming services are so popular because technically you are not purchasing music, you are paying to have access to millions of songs on your mobile device. Although hip hop was created in NYC it has always had strong roots in the south, just like all of the other popular american music genres. So, to say that the south ruined hip hop is incorrect, ignorant, regionally bias and sad.