Hip-Hop lost its cool; it ain't hip no more

[African Peasant]

If you’re just a casual listener, you don’t have much of a say. Let me compare it to a sport: if you don’t watch basketball, you don’t have enough knowledge or investment to make a fair assessment. Or think of it like a book: if you haven’t read it or don’t understand the author’s style, you can’t make a fair judgment. So your thread is trash not relevant. Is that clearer for you?

I don't need to be invested in any sport to observe that the way the general public look at it changed.

I'm not making an aesthetic jugdment, I'm making an observation on the reception by the public.

I don't need to read an author to analyze the way the public perceive his work. I need that that to make a judgement on the quality of his work, but that's not what I'm doing here.

 

[TEH]

I don't need to be invested in any sport to observe that the way the general public look at it changed.

I'm not making an aesthetic jugdment, I'm making an observation on the reception by the public.

I don't need to read an author to analyze the way the public perceive his work. I need that that to make a judgement on the quality of his work, but that's not what I'm doing here.

You’re wrong! While you might think you can notice how the public views a sport without being invested, real understanding usually comes from deeper engagement. Observations can be shallow and miss important details that you only get from really knowing the subject.

In sports, the dynamics and culture are complex, and without that context, your observations might lack depth. Just like with an author’s work, knowing their background and style can significantly shape how you interpret public perception.

When it comes to hip hop, understanding the genre’s history, cultural significance, and the experiences of the artists is essential!

The bottom line is that you’re just a casual listener. As we discussed earlier, your observations about how the public perceives it may miss key elements.

Engaging deeply with hip hop leads to more meaningful insights and a fuller appreciation of its impact. So yes, you made general observations, but they lacked the depth needed for a true understanding.

You mentioned that hip hop is no longer cool, but that’s a simplistic view. Trends in music and culture change, but to say something is no longer cool without understanding its evolution and the reasons behind those shifts in the genre misses the bigger picture. The genre is constantly evolving, and its relevance often depends on context and engagement.

 

[Lonj]

Hip Hop is more focused on the youth than old heads. Old rappers barely even make music anymore.

The youth aren't moving the needle. Anyone relevant in hip hop were born pre-1990.

 

[OperationNumbNutts]

Hip hop IMO lost the art of storytelling. Now it's about promoting a lifestyle of drugs, sex, and violence.

 

[50CentStan]

im sure your taste in whats cool is worth listening to, Mr. A50CentStan.

 

[Premeditated]

But people are still checking for rappers if he has the number one album in the country

yes, but not like before. it's loosing it's steam and cool points like op is saying

needs some youth to blow up

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Kendrick Lamar has had more songs go #1 on the hot 100 then any other artist, regardless of genre, this year.

Kendrick Lamar is a once every few generation talent. The other rapper he just decapated is a goofy suburban jewish kid without an ounce of cool who reigned at top of rap music for 15 years

 

[jilla82]

I think capitalism driven Hip Hop might be slow for the next while, especially with Trump taking office. It will sound more local and more conscious. Country music will be the dominant genre singing the praises of capitalism.

man yall are some weirdos

wtf is this shyt lmao

rap music has been the soundtrack to thousands of brothas killing each other every year for decades...
and now all of that will change because of Trump and capitalism

log off

 

[African Peasant]

You’re wrong! While you might think you can notice how the public views a sport without being invested, real understanding usually comes from deeper engagement. Observations can be shallow and miss important details that you only get from really knowing the subject.

In sports, the dynamics and culture are complex, and without that context, your observations might lack depth. Just like with an author’s work, knowing their background and style can significantly shape how you interpret public perception.

When it comes to hip hop, understanding the genre’s history, cultural significance, and the experiences of the artists is essential!

The bottom line is that you’re just a casual listener. As we discussed earlier, your observations about how the public perceives it may miss key elements.

Engaging deeply with hip hop leads to more meaningful insights and a fuller appreciation of its impact. So yes, you made general observations, but they lacked the depth needed for a true understanding.

You mentioned that hip hop is no longer cool, but that’s a simplistic view. Trends in music and culture change, but to say something is no longer cool without understanding its evolution and the reasons behind those shifts in the genre misses the bigger picture. The genre is constantly evolving, and its relevance often depends on context and engagement.

Don't agree. I don't need to read an author to notice a shift in the way the public perceive his work. I will need to read it to eventually find the deeper reason for the shift (interpret it as you say), but not to notice the shift itself. It's almost empirical. Same way for a sport.

You're making a confusion between observing a phenomenon and explaining it. I can see that it's raining, but I need a theorical background to explain why it's raining.

 

[TEH]

Don't agree. I don't need to read an author to notice a shift in the way the public perceive his work. I will need to read it to eventually find the deeper reason for the shift (interpret it as you say), but not to notice the shift itself. It's almost empirical. Same way for a sport.

You're making a confusion between observing a phenomenon and explaining it. I can see that it's raining, but I need a theorical background to explain why it's raining.

You’re wrong again. While you might think you can notice a change in how people see something without really engaging with it, true understanding requires more than just looking at the surface.

You might see that public interest in an author’s work has shifted, but without knowing their style or background, your conclusions can be off. The same is true in sports; just noticing a team’s performance doesn’t tell you everything without understanding what’s behind it.

Your rain example isn’t quite right. You can see it’s raining, but knowing why it’s raining adds depth to your understanding. In hip hop, just observing how people feel about it is only the beginning. To really understand those changes, you need to dig deeper into the music and its context. Otherwise, your insights will be shallow and incomplete.

 

[African Peasant]

You’re wrong again. While you might think you can notice a change in how people see something without really engaging with it, true understanding requires more than just looking at the surface.

You might see that public interest in an author’s work has shifted, but without knowing their style or background, your conclusions can be off. The same is true in sports; just noticing a team’s performance doesn’t tell you everything without understanding what’s behind it.

Your rain example isn’t quite right. You can see it’s raining, but knowing why it’s raining adds depth to your understanding. In hip hop, just observing how people feel about it is only the beginning. To really understand those changes, you need to dig deeper into the music and its context. Otherwise, your insights will be shallow and incomplete.

That's all I'm doing. I don't need more to notice that.

I ain't trying to understand those change, I'm just pointing them out.

What you asking is far more ambitious than what I was doing.

Do you agree with the observation or not?

 

[BmoreGorilla]

We just old breh. Hip hop is 50 years old. We no longer gonna be in awe of some shyt where we literally done been there and done that with everything


You know what’s cool now? Looking at the fridge full of Thanksgiving leftovers and realizing we don’t have to worry about what’s for dinner for the rest of the weekend

 

[Unbothered]

Nah you're just getting old.

As long as there are listeners, Hip-Hop will remain eternal. Hip-hop is a young person's (teens-mid 30s) genre of music; once you start getting into your 40s, 50s, 60s, etc, you're very likely to slowly drift away from interest in the music because it's just not for you anymore.

Y'all gotta be cacs or overseas foreigns with this “Hip-Hop will be gone forever, yaaaay!” shtick .

 

[BK The Great]

The youth aren't moving the needle. Anyone relevant in hip hop were born pre-1990.

Legends and older rappers are still making quality music but that's also not moving the needle either. It's stuck in a hard place.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Nah you're just getting old.

As long as there are listeners, Hip-Hop will remain eternal. Hip-hop is a young person's (teens-mid 30s) genre of music; once you start getting into your 40s, 50s, 60s, etc, you're very likely to slowly drift away from interest in the music because it's just not for you anymore.

Y'all gotta be cacs or overseas foreigns with this “Hip-Hop will be gone forever, yaaaay!” shtick .

The bolded is where I disagree. Hip hop hasn’t been just a young person’s genre for quite some time now. There was a time when a rapper would get to his late 20s and was considered old. Folks dropping debuts in the late 20s now.

The biggest moment hip hop has had in years was beef between the two biggest rappers in the game who are both pushing 40. The biggest song this year (Like That) was from a rapper in his 40s

These kids now don’t love hip hop the way we did. And I don’t expect them to. We can remember when hip hop was fairly new and we grew up with it. Their relationship is totally different