Hillary to Black Lives Matter "Get an agenda"

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You're the most talented and popular artist in the world asking the manager for your rights to your contract so you can see your profits in full. That's what this all is.

Didn't watch the video. Is it another case of asking somebody for help, who at their core really doesn't want to help?

Who then goes on to making a ton of excuses why they can't? Then also goes on to say you need to do much more than anybody does and even then still won't give you want you want.
 
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She basically gave them the :beli: face the whole time... kept nodding, saying "mmm hmm" like, "wrap it up" then basically told them that LGBT got stuff done because they had an agenda.


she's right though... you got a bunch of people running around saying "black lives matter"

but where's the organization? who's in charge? what's the message? what's the steps? THE PLAN?

there's been a lot of movements... the successful ones had a plan behind it and calculated steps to get there
 

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Energy is great but without a rudder the ship can't get anywhere particular.

I was all piss and vinegar when I was young. Eager to get the mic and ramble.

Quiet now. Make your moves and only speak when necessary.

Exactly. No political movement gets any actual movement without an agenda, without goals, without a plan and a mission. Look what happened to Occupy Wall Street which caused a lot of ruckus and then died out because they didn't have a plan pass causing a ruckus. Tell her why you want her audience other than saying your voice matters, tell her what you want her to do when she's in office rather than trying to get her to admit that she and her husband were responsible for a lot of ills in our criminal justice system. Tell her what you want to be fixed and how you propose your group, while working with her, can change it. She understands politics, and that's how politics works. Just going around shouting and interrupting gets you nothing. I'm not a fan of the tea party in the slightest but I know what they stand for for the most part and how they want to get it accomplished. Martin Luther King was strategic in how he helped lead the civil rights movement. He understood where to go, who to talk to, how legislation worked and how policy is changed. That scene in Selma with he and his partners sitting in a family room talking about what their agenda is in order for him to go back to LBJ with concrete plans? That's what politics is the majority of the time. It's not sexy, it's not interrupting rallies and having marches; it's forming agendas so that when you get an audience with the people in charge, you know what you want and how you want to achieve it.


As I said in HL

The Gay and Lesbian community approached their goals a certain way and they got them achieved

People spend a lot of time hating them without realizing that the disdain you have for gays and lesbians is the same disdain that whites have for blacks, it just manifests itself in a different way so you motherfukkers are fooled.

Come up with some concrete shyt to present to them.

They could have easily said "If you want our vote we need some assurance that you will push for a mandatory federal law that states that all local and state law enforcement must wear bodycams"

Force her to say it. Force her to make it an aspect of her campaign.

nikkas don't understand politics and they have too much pride and ego to admit it, but then got the nerve to complain about other groups accomplishing their goals.
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A presidential candidate and lifelong politician responding to a group of people effectively saying "STOP SYSYEMATICALLY KILLING US" with

"What do you want me to do :manny:" is purposefully obtuse to the problem and is literally playing dumb to the problem. I don't know, Mrs. Policymaker, we just don't want to die. You explain what YOU want to do to earn my vote.

cause that's how this is SUPPOSED TO WORK

GROUP SAYS "I HAVE PROBLEM" - taxes too high, schools are bad, I need a new bridge, I want to feel safe.

The politician says "I hear you, this is how I will address it"



Why do black people have to do the work and create the plan here? Nobody else ever does. What we want is to NOT DIE and FEEL SAFE. start there and YOU tell ME what you're going to do.
 
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A presidential candidate and lifelong politician responding to a group of people effectively saying "STOP SYSYEMATICALLY KILLING US" with

"What do you want me to do :manny:" is purposefully obtuse to the problem and is literally playing dumb to the problem. I don't know, Mrs. Policymaker, we just don't want to die. You explain what YOU want to do to earn my vote.

cause that's how this is SUPPOSED TO WORK

GROUP SAYS "I HAVE PROBLEM" - taxes too high, schools are bad, I need a new bridge, I want to feel safe.

The politician says "I hear you, this is how I will address it"



Why do black people have to do the work and create the plan here? Nobody else ever does. What we want is to NOT DIE and FEEL SAFE. start there and YOU tell ME what you're going to do.

I wouldn't encourage laziness from my advocates, just marching and saying we're getting beat up and shot by police isn't enough. Advocating for lapel camera reform maybe, there's your agenda.
 

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Exactly. No political movement gets any actual movement without an agenda, without goals, without a plan and a mission. Look what happened to Occupy Wall Street which caused a lot of ruckus and then died out because they didn't have a plan pass causing a ruckus. Tell her why you want her audience other than saying your voice matters, tell her what you want her to do when she's in office rather than trying to get her to admit that she and her husband were responsible for a lot of ills in our criminal justice system. Tell her what you want to be fixed and how you propose your group, while working with her, can change it. She understands politics, and that's how politics works. Just going around shouting and interrupting gets you nothing. I'm not a fan of the tea party in the slightest but I know what they stand for for the most part and how they want to get it accomplished. Martin Luther King was strategic in how he helped lead the civil rights movement. He understood where to go, who to talk to, how legislation worked and how policy is changed. That scene in Selma with he and his partners sitting in a family room talking about what their agenda is in order for him to go back to LBJ with concrete plans? That's what politics is the majority of the time. It's not sexy, it's not interrupting rallies and having marches; it's forming agendas so that when you get an audience with the people in charge, you know what you want and how you want to achieve it.



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Same reason BLM might fail, OWS and BLM are mostly privileged folks that are bored. Most of the "save the world" types are usually some underachiever that has some college credits. I used to come across them in college all the time, but never remember bumping into any when I was growing up in my old neighborhood.

These movements usually work better when you have people who are actually in the front-lines and living it everyday, or the movement will never have any heart or soul. Do we believe any of these BLM members will ever be at risk for police brutality, none of these guys are rebels to the system.
 

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Only way a Federal Law can affect state laws is through an act of congress or through the Supreme Court...so they would have to add an Amendment to the Constitution or rule an existing state law is Unconstitutional.

I don't see that happening for body cams.
People didn't see Gay Marriage happening either but here we are in 2015 and two women or men can get hitched
 
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