It's not a controversial statement, it's just a nonsensical, undefined one. This "cultural cohesion" stuff is just something you're pulling out of your ass. Would you care to define "cultural cohesion" in concrete terms instead of just repeating it over and over again, then explain how it relates to the situation of the African diaspora in America?
maybe you are losing track of the conversation, the question was asked is america still #1 and i mentioned the issues surrounding statistics of blacks and latinos in america and the importance of assimilation into mainstream culture
people wanted to know why i said blacks and latinos should move into the mainstream
and my answer is that if they dont it will effect the cultural cohesion in america, and cultural cohesion is one of the defining factors of a nation states and important for prosperity
im still befuddled and loling that people think that saying cultural cohesion is an important factor is a controversial statement, its pretty obvious that you need cultural cohesion in a nation state, just take a deep breath, let go of your hate of the god emperor and think about it for one sec
apparently some of you dont understand what a nation state is, lol @ me pulling it out of my ass
lets go to wikipedia
Nation state - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
the nation is a cultural and/or ethnic entity
The most obvious impact of the nation state, as compared to its non-national predecessors, is the creation of a uniform national culture, through state policy. The model of the nation state implies that its population constitutes a nation, united by a common descent, a common language and many forms of shared culture. When the implied unity was absent, the nation state often tried to create it. It promoted a uniform national language, through language policy. The creation of national systems of compulsory primary education and a relatively uniform curriculum in secondary schools, was the most effective instrument in the spread of the national languages. The schools also taught the national history, often in a propagandistic and mythologised version, and (especially during conflicts) some nation states still teach this kind of history.[10]
i know we are not all experts in state formation, but saying cultural cohesion is an an important factor in state formation and prosperity is not controversial its pretty much self evident
And this pertains to black people in America and their need to "assimilate into one American culture" how?
everybody needs to assimilate into one american culture, thats the only way america can succeed as a nation, so if black people live in america they should and have to assimilate
the specific example of canada is more related to latinos in the SW, and why its important to promote english as a national language
No, actually I wasn't thinking about the Civil War at all when I said that. I was referring to the fact that there has been a steady influx of immigrants from various places to America since the latter part of the 19th century and American has grown into the most prosperous and powerful nation during that time, flying in the face of your there needs to be one culture claim.
but america did that by assimilating the immigrants into one american culture, how would that fly in the face of what i am saying?
here is what Theodore Roosevelt, who was the president in that time period, said about immigration
We should insist that if the immigrant who comes here does in good faith become an American and assimilates himself to us he shall be treated on an exact equality with every one else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed or birth-place or origin.
But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American and nothing but an American. If he tries to keep segregated with men of his own origin and separated from the rest of America, then he isn't doing his part as an American. There can be no divided allegiance here. . . We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language, for we intend to see that the crucible turns our people out as Americans, of American nationality, and not as dwellers in a polyglot boarding-house; and we have room for but one soul loyalty, and that is loyalty to the American people.
Theodore Roosevelt
so i think you have a misunderstanding of the story of immigration in the US, assimilation is fundamental to american immigration, it always has been
And lol@the Civil War being fought over "cultural differences." Really b? That's all it was? Cultural differences?
yeah the the civil war was fought over cultural differences, there was a fundamental difference between the north and south about slavery, that was the cultural difference, is there another word or phrase to describe it?
lol...those immigrants didn't "turn mainstream." They still kept their cultural identities intact. Just as many immigrants come over from Asia and Africa today and keep their cultural proclivities. You think every Irish and Italian immigrants just blended into WASP society? fukk no. Their kids may have, just as the kids of immigrants today are.
im not sure what your point is, so you are saying that the immigrants weren't assimilated but their kids were? and that is suppose to contradict something is said?
i dont get it, obviously people that are FOB (fresh of the boat) arent assimilated, assimilation obviously refers to the kids and the following generations, what the hell do you think im talking about?
You haven't even scratched the surface of being specific. You're typing all these long posts and saying absolutely nothing. You keep talking about this vague, vacuous "cultural cohesion" which you haven't even attempted to define or quantify at even the most basic level.
*shrugs* cultural cohesion means exactly what it says, it means people share the same culture
culture is a big topic, but as far as blacks and latinos i was referring to the cultural views of education
im not sure how much more specific you want me to be
What kind of sick strain of c00nery is this? Black people need to assimilate into the mainstream by valuing education more? So not valuing education is an inherent characteristic of black culture and if you do value education, you're assimilating into mainstream culture? Sorry, but there are millions of black people who do value education and have gotten educations and think the cultural norms that were instilled in them by their families and communities are just fine.
Again, getting educated and "assimilating into one culture" are not synonymous. You are co-signing the poisonous notion that getting education is "acting white" right now.
yep, i think the centuries of slavery and jim crow has caused black views of education to became separate from the mainstream and it has created an anti academic strain in black culture
and there are millions of blacks that havent had the cultural norms of education instilled in them and thats the problem
Again, getting educated and "assimilating into one culture" are not synonymous.
i never said they where synonymous, so i dont know hat you are talking about
You are co-signing the poisonous notion that getting education is "acting white" right now.
i have no idea what the hell you are talking about, i have never said any such thing
im cosigning the notion that that there has to be cultural shift in the black community regarding education and in fact NOT look at education as acting white
Yes because after all, culture is a choice. I could just wake up tomorrow and be some Christian Budweiser-swigging, country music listening, deer hunting NASCAR fan NRA member tomorrow if I just choose to.
im not really sure what this means or what it has to do with what i said but its a free country, you can do whatever the hell you want
What kind of sick strain of c00nery is this? Black people need to assimilate into the mainstream by valuing education more? So not valuing education is an inherent characteristic of black culture and if you do value education, you're assimilating into mainstream culture? Sorry, but there are millions of black people who do value education and have gotten educations and think the cultural norms that were instilled in them by their families and communities are just fine.
