mastermind
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as soon as they realize that Americans are willing to pay for pro sports arenas, you think they gonna pay for it?
hey brehs fill me in on the Man City title
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as soon as they realize that Americans are willing to pay for pro sports arenas, you think they gonna pay for it?
Saysumthinfunnymike
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I didn't think there would be this much talk about the possibility of an American equivalent. Because it's soccer.. I was thinking MLB.
What about the Angels and Rangers? Neither team was a consistent player before this decade but now they are both consistently spending at the top of the league and the Rangers have become an American League powerhouse.
What about the Angels and Rangers? Neither team was a consistent player before this decade but now they are both consistently spending at the top of the league and the Rangers have become an American League powerhouse.
yseJ
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the situation is so different in terms of soccer clubs' structures any such comparison wouldnt be right
big money changes a lot of things in soccer
imagine if the a's increased their payroll to 30 times the yankees payroll. then remove all revenue sharing draft and league-wide agreements. then imagine if you can pluck off players from any team with a active contract by paying them a 'small' (for you) fee. then imagine than most teams in the league are beggars compared to your budget
if I want josh hamilton, Ill just go and tell rangers who have 35 times as less money to spend and arent making much profit...Ill pay you 40 million just for hamilton. thats like half of their payroll. then Ill tell hamilton Ill pay him as much as 35 milly per year. neither the rangers or hamilton will be able to refuse such an offer.
angels and rangers just got bigger payrolls but they still have to develop players and lots of their best players now they've either traded for or developed themselves.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
the Rangers and Angels made some shrewd moves to become a power house team. The 2002 Angels had the 15th largest payroll in baseball. The 2010 Rangers were 27th.
City have the 3rd highest payroll in all of soccer and is higher than any American sports team not named the Yankees.
The best equivalent would be to Red Bull racing in Formula 1, and thats because they threw money at the technology. Their driver, Sebastian Vettlel, is not the highest paid driver in the world.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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Well, what I was saying is that this year the Angels will have a payroll over $150M and Rangers are I believe around $120M which puts them both in the top six along with the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies, etc. and neither team appears to be cutting back anytime soon.
I understand the disparity in soccer is crazy which makes me wonder how some fans cope with the idea that their team will never win a title. I've had that conversation with Brits in the past and they've always told me that pulling off a huge upset is their equivalent to winning it all.
I understand the disparity in soccer is crazy which makes me wonder how some fans cope with the idea that their team will never win a title. I've had that conversation with Brits in the past and they've always told me that pulling off a huge upset is their equivalent to winning it all.
yseJ
Empire strikes back
again, those teams are on equal terms more or less. its not comparable to how much money city's budget rose by.
like really, if you really want to translate that to baseball, this means close to a billion dollar payroll while most of the teams in the premier league (not contenders) are closer to like 70 milly
also remember that most of budget details and lots of contract details are kept hidden in soccer as well.
the sheikhs can spend as much money as they want without making it public.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
fans cope because those clubs are apart of the community. They are usually started by locals and work their way up the footballing divisions.
In America, its the exact opposite. Rich people come in and say "we are putting this franchise here!" They put it there and then they decide to move if they are not getting their return. That is very difficult to do in soccer where these clubs were started by the community they are in and people are invested in it.
City and the Rangers do not compare because they came up in an entirely different fashion. On August 30th, 2008, Manchester City had an owner who's money was frozen because the country he was president on were charging him for corruption and were a decent club but not a big time player for the world's biggest talents. Literally the next day, a Sheikh from Qatar come in and change everything. Making massive bids for top players around the world and getting one from Real Madrid and going from there. The next year they spent even more money, and its been like that since that day in 2008.
The Rangers and Angels both were surprise teams when they started making headway. City are not a surprise, it was more or less expected.
In America, its the exact opposite. Rich people come in and say "we are putting this franchise here!" They put it there and then they decide to move if they are not getting their return. That is very difficult to do in soccer where these clubs were started by the community they are in and people are invested in it.
City and the Rangers do not compare because they came up in an entirely different fashion. On August 30th, 2008, Manchester City had an owner who's money was frozen because the country he was president on were charging him for corruption and were a decent club but not a big time player for the world's biggest talents. Literally the next day, a Sheikh from Qatar come in and change everything. Making massive bids for top players around the world and getting one from Real Madrid and going from there. The next year they spent even more money, and its been like that since that day in 2008.
The Rangers and Angels both were surprise teams when they started making headway. City are not a surprise, it was more or less expected.
Saysumthinfunnymike
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To yseJ: I see what you're saying but when the Yankees are spending $200M and the Padres are spending $50M that is not a level playing field. I guess it's nowhere near what soccer is but it's a big difference in American sports.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
The Yankees and Padres still share money. MLB merchandise, MLB media, and the Yankees give money in a luxury tax.
Also, no one from Japan is offering the Yankees 40 million for Curtis Granderson and throwing a 30 million a year contract in his face.
Also, no one from Japan is offering the Yankees 40 million for Curtis Granderson and throwing a 30 million a year contract in his face.
unstoppable589
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no comparison. their owner is beyond rich as fukk. they routinely drop 25-40 million euros for a player. in that sense, compare it to a baseball player posting rights to talk to a japanese pitcher. but the economic power they have is ridiculous, thank god im a man city fan 
Saysumthinfunnymike
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How were they able to acquire someone from Real Madrid? Aren't they one of the richest teams in soccer? Wouldn't they want to be better than Man City when it comes time for the Champions League? It was that big of an offer that they couldn't refuse?
AlphaOne
OFT XI E Squad
Real Madrid routinely buys world beaters and sells them for the fukk of it. doesn't mean Man City has more power.
or they could develop players thru their academy systems
are you referring to robinho?
c/s
the difference that I see between sports over there and over here is the club model (european) vs. franchise model (american)