Have Straight Black Men become the new face of White Guilt?

[BmoreGorilla]

I hear what @Poitier is saying but the bubble I live in both in the Caribbean in in the states really insulates me against all of this fukkshyt going on between black men and women, I'll consider myself blessed and leave it at that.

The problem and solution has always been tied to social media giving anyone and everyone a "platform" to speak on this bullshyt and it has consequently made them conflate that "platform" with actually having a viable and reasonable point to make. Men and women alike are out here running to their tumblr blogs, twitter accounts and what thefukkevers making these aggrandizations that we eat right up. Weaker minded people are following these ideologies whereas others like myself see it for what its worth; pure fukkery to look at in ridicule.

Black women are all thots and hoes
Black men are all trash and dusty

My only form is social media is the coli so I admit Im ignorant to a lot of it. And I really don't interact with a diverse group of black women tbh. The women I know work all week and on the weekends they run their errands and turn up to Jeezy and some spades at night

 

[DrX]

Like I said.. some black women are totally out of their fukking minds...u need to avoid them... because they're destined for a life of misery

And get with the good ones

 

[Poitier]

I hear what @Poitier is saying but the bubble I live in both in the Caribbean in in the states really insulates me against all of this fukkshyt going on between black men and women

If you are a part of the Black community in America then you are a product of the Black family in America which was corroded by first wave feminism....you are not as insulated from being impacted by these ideologies as you might think.

 

[MajorVitaman]

Even worse, there are now Black men parroting the same rhetoric as if its going to get them brownie points and make them morally righteous.

Then you have gay black men acting as hyenas for these fake black feminists.

Y'all pretty much described 90% of the black males who I volunteer with.

Then they wonder why hardly anyone in the community supports

 

[BigMan]

How do they perpetuate institution racism / physical and mental violence against black men? How? Black men have BEEN a target way before some black women started outwardly speaking negatively of them.

Are you reading the tweets ?

 

[Matt504]

This is another common misconception.

The average Black feminist is not a swirler. The average Black feminist has Black baby daddies.

You can procreate with those who you hate.

Look at the top Black feminists on Twitter Feminista Jones and Jamilah Lemieux, both single parents of small black children that express contempt for Black men.

These are women who chose poorly and are taking out their anguish on the larger group, this isn't to say that they don't make very valid points from time to time but the source of their contempt isn't what they think it is, the root of the problem is their poor decision making skills in choosing a partner.

 

[Unknown Poster]

Powerful.

I see this shyt all the time on twitter.

Which is why i inquire when women in general say "I hate men" do they mean men in general? Or black men? They would never dare to purse their lips to say "I hate white men" the same way black people in general would be stricken with platitudes of comments claiming they are racist if they dared say "i hate white people".

So i always assume they mean "I hate black men". Why? Women know the ball is in the white man's proverbial court. Also we're easy targets. Disrespecting black men is a victimless crime that goes unpunished. As long as anybody can feel that they are better than a black man...that is what matters.
Why would white women decry their male counterparts as everything cruel in the human lexicon and still marry them and give them the benefit of the doubt in many situations? Cause they have money and power.

A little secret: the majority of women are white supremacists. They know where power lies...its not with us.

At the end black men are alone. We are expected to die and when we do it's celebrated. Some black women on social media saying shyt like "i guess when x happens to us we shouldn't feel sorry when polive kill you" basically lets you know people are rooting for our demis and destruction and see it as a joke. We have no support system. We are truly wandering this wilderness looking to survive and maybe thrive.

This type of thing makes the world more hostile for us...cause if our "own" women are throwing us under the bus it gives the impression we are not worthy of being saved or protected. You have to understand...this is the result of the black community being a matriarch. When women run the shots the men fall in line. We are the only race in this country like this. The other groups have succeeded in obscuring their wrongdoings and projecting them on us and in turn looking like white knights in the process.

All you can do is stack your money, support you and your family....link with like minded people and connect with the black women who don't think like this.

 

[CodeBlaMeVi]

Nobody is saying that they don't see dysfunction. What we are saying is we don't see these black women shutting down black men and dating cacs irl. Nobody is denying that it happen irl either. I typically just don't go to these more diverse parts of town where people might think like this

For real. If dudes are coming across women like in the OP IRL then I advise them to reassess their lives.

 

[Thanos]

Does anyone in this thread have any direct exposure or experience to speak on as it relates to this matter?

Are you in groups, movements, etc. that deal with this?

Is it really that implausible that some people really don't experience this shyt offline? Really?

It's definitely plausible, people's perception on an issues is shaped on their experience. So I'm not gonna deny that it does happen. Although, we can question one's perception.
However, I'm not really a part of any movement. I just generally for treating people right.

 

[iBrowse]

If you are a part of the Black community in America then you are a product of the Black family in America which was corroded by first wave feminism....you are not as insulated from being impacted by these ideologies as you might think.

So how has that corrosion actually been a detriment to me? I sure as hell can't see how to be honest.

EDIT: the potential for something bad to happen to me as a byproduct of this isn't what I'm referring to.

 

[Kokoro]

Hmmm very interesting opinion piece. Im studying so I havent been on but I wanted to log in and speak on this. Im in academic mode so I'll formulate my argument as such:

I dont have a twitter so this is relatively all new to me. I didnt know their thoughts were this short sighted, broad and radical. In my opinion, these women thrive off of emotion. Quite a few fallacies within their arguments and I'll explain them:

Fallacy of Non-Testable Hypothesis:
Can the hypothesis that black men are worse than white men or the largest oppressors of Black women be proved? No, simply put. The same white men that have more control and influence than we do, could practice covert racism. Basically, not hire a woman with the name "Kiesha" or "Imani", so in that way white men are impeding the financial security and stability of her lifestyle, and yet a black men is somehow more oppressive by using hurtful words. Im not buying this. Its not testable nor is it a sound hypothesis

Fallacy of generalization:
This is a fairly obvious one. "Black men in general are this!", "Black men in general do and believe this!" What this does is further alienate the black men that may support you but not necessarily agree with all of your views. This creates a bigger problem another poster alluded to. Here soon I could see a black version of the "Red pill" or MGTOW movement.

Fallacy of Cherry-Picking:
Another fairly obvious one. Cherry picking certain black men that may perfrom malicious actions or things with ill intent, and then labeling all black men as oppressors or whatever the hell words they want to use. This goes hand in hand with the previous fallacy

Fallacy of Band Wagon:
This fallacy states: The basic fallacy of democracy: that popular ideas are necessarily right.

This fallacy is the major flaw of group think. Its seems as if the group think of these black feminists think black men are the main creator of their problems. Foolish and very short sighted, and quite frankly I dont feel the need to explain this one its so lucid and half baked

Fallacy of Begging the Question:
This is the fallacy of basically repeating the conclusion over and over and implying it to be true, all without providing sufficient evidence! "Black men are the white men of the black community! Why? Its obvious, cant you see it!" And yet fail to explain it. They beg the question in the form of half baked tweets and then reaffirm their truth by the amount of retweets, likes etc. their said tweet may receive. Begging the question.

Fallacy of Dogmatism:
The unwillingness to even consider the opponent’s argument.

Another fairly obvious one. Several examples of this in the OP, and a fairly perspicuous argument to understand. These black feminist want black men to shut up and agree with them and basically become yes-men to their argument. When challenged they often beg the question or appeal to emotion. A great segue to the next fallacy I may add

Fallacy of appeal to emotion:
These radical black feminists that purport their argument use this as the basis of their argument it seems. "You make us feel x, y, z and therefore it is." No need to build an actual argument and use anecdotes and examples. Just feed off your emotions in the now.



So thats a few fallacies in their inductive argument. An inductive argument is one where the conclusions are strong enough and credible enough to support a conclusion, then that said conclusion must be true. Fallacies undermine and invalidate the truth and credibility of ones premises. And in logic there is no such argument where the conclusion is true and the premises are false. Therefore their argument (radical black feminists) is looking very unsound and lacking credibility

Like I said Im not on twitter nor do I have time to argue with these women, but if someone wants to actually academically challenge these women and their group think then go ahead. Should be interesting

The Most Common Logical Fallacies

Validity and Soundness | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy

 

[Sonic Boom of the South]

Them black men hating females only spit that shyt online





Talk all that blame black men shyt on Twitter
Then log off and suck a nikka dikk with no probs

 

[Rawtid]

When you raise your sons to see himself as trash.

That's the product of a hurt mother, raising a hurt son who is following in the footsteps of his missing father. The father could be missing because he's just a bum or the mother pushed him out. BOTH mom and dad are the issue and they go on to hurt other people and it's a dangerous cycle. The problem with us as blacks is that we have a small population that is causing the greatest impact. We have issues with each other that we can't continue to ignore, but yet we still ignore them. "Don't say this in front of white people", but meanwhile those same white people that control the media have the whole world basing their opinions on us as a whole using that small group. We need to start putting this shyt out in the open...both men and women.

 

[MaccabeanRebel]

My girl is a self proclaimed black feminist, she says some outlandish shyt sometimes but not this bad. I despise feminist in general but I think there are levels to it. Some of these women are borderline extremist, some just step their foot in it.

 

[Claudex]

Black feminists need to be very careful going down that road. The increase of young white conservatives is partially the result of a backlash towards the extreme white liberal mindset which includes feminism. They've been running around the past decade or so demonizing white heterosexual men. Not saying it's all on them, but they certainly played a role into the rise of the Red Pill, MGTOW, etc.. They basically had a hand in unintentionally guiding some white men towards conservatism and the alt right.

My question is if Black feminists get enough traction, what might they unintentionally cause to happen with Black men? They're already complaining about Black men being misogynistic and sexist. Throw into the mix the increase of Black men dating out for numerous reasons including misguided angst towards Black women. Or dating out because they view Black women as inferior. Considering those things, Black feminists pushing that agenda are doing nothing but hurting themselves.

I was about to make a post like the bolded.

And just to add to it, I'd advise black female feminists to be careful because as black men we're not as susceptible to this guilt phenomenon that white people experience – due to our own history– and trying to push us there will most certainly backfire as you so well put it.