Has Anyone Else Heard That The Roughest and Most Crude Slaves Went to Mississippi?

[invalid]

The slaves nobody wanted?? Mufukkas got fukking kidnapped humans working for them for free and got the nerve to have "rejects". Evil as fukk.

I'm not going to lie, you put this in perspective.


But the statements that I've heard about this came exclusively from other black people.

 

[KyokushinKarateMan]

“Rough” and “crude” slaves

 

[BrothaZay]

Mississippi was the worst of the slave states If I remember correctly from what I read. Slaves would dread being sent “down south”


Altho it stemmed from them having the most brutal of the cotton industry there

How did slaves who never been down south hear about it?

 

[invalid]

Interesting. Well I've heard this a few different times and this would have came from blacks that were more educated than most on American history.

The conversation in question was from a black woman from Chicago who grew up well-to-do. She married a man from South Carolina from an equally well-to-do family. She was jokingly recalling how when she went to meet his family in South Carolina, she went down there kind of snobbish but was quickly put into place by her would-be-then mother in-law. Once her mother in-law found out that her people were from Mississippi, she snidely quipped "well you know, the rougher coarser slaves were sent to Mississippi." This was from a woman from South Carolina. Maybe it was just an old-time myth, but the thought was that black families from Maryland, Virginia, and the Carolinas were better than the black families from the Lower South because they came from the more desired slaves who were purchased there first, with the leftovers being sent to the Lower South. Again, I meant to look into this because I've heard this before. I didn't think it was completely outside the realm of possibility seeing that, for instance, England sent its undersirables to Australia and sometimes the Colonies. I didn't know if that practice carried over into the slave trade. Some people are even remarking that they heard of that happening with Jamaica.

@IllmaticDelta In your research, have you heard or come across this before?

 

[get these nets]

For my own family, yes. My people were from Tippah and Pontotoc Counties on one side of my father's line. The family that owned my ancestors had two plantations that they had their slaves traveling in between. They were originally from North Carolina.

On the other side of my father's family, they were from the Mississippi/Louisiana border, in Pike, Amite, Tangipahoa Counties. The families that owned them were from South Carolina. We have the wills, slave schedules, etc.. that even name individual enslaved family members.

50% of white Mississippians owned slaves so blacks with ties to Mississippi will be from all over. Not from any specific region or plantation.

Do you have any sources with respect to sugar cane plantations being worse than cotton plantations?

Thanks for the info.

In the 1619 Project essay about The Barbaric History of Sugar in America, Dr. Muhammad wrote


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In 1795, Étienne de Boré, a New Orleans sugar planter, granulated the first sugar crystals in the Louisiana Territory. With the advent of sugar processing locally, sugar plantations exploded up and down both banks of the Mississippi River. All of this was possible because of the abundantly rich alluvial soil, combined with the technical mastery of seasoned French and Spanish planters from around the cane-growing basin of the Gulf and the Caribbean — and because of the toil of thousands of enslaved people. More French planters and their enslaved expert sugar workers poured into Louisiana as Toussaint L’Ouverture and Jean-Jacques Dessalines led a successful revolution to secure Haiti’s independence from France.

Within five decades, Louisiana planters were producing a quarter of the world’s cane-sugar supply. During her antebellum reign, Queen Sugar bested King Cotton locally, making Louisiana the second-richest state in per capita wealth. According to the historian Richard Follett, the state ranked third in banking capital behind New York and Massachusetts in 1840. The value of enslaved people alone represented tens of millions of dollars in capital that financed investments, loans and businesses. Much of that investment funneled back into the sugar mills, the “most industrialized sector of Southern agriculture,” Follett writes in his 2005 book, “Sugar Masters: Planters and Slaves in Louisiana’s Cane World 1820-1860.” No other agricultural region came close to the amount of capital investment in farming by the eve of the Civil War. In 1853, Representative Miles Taylor of Louisiana bragged that his state’s success was “without parallel in the United States, or indeed in the world in any branch of industry.”

The enslaved population soared, quadrupling over a 20-year period to 125,000 souls in the mid-19th century. New Orleans became the Walmart of people-selling. The number of enslaved labor crews doubled on sugar plantations. And in every sugar parish, black people outnumbered whites. These were some of the most skilled laborers, doing some of the most dangerous agricultural and industrial work in the United States.

In the mill, alongside adults, children toiled like factory workers with assembly-line precision and discipline under the constant threat of boiling hot kettles, open furnaces and grinding rollers. “All along the endless carrier are ranged slave children, whose business it is to place the cane upon it, when it is conveyed through the shed into the main building,” wrote Solomon Northup in “Twelve Years a Slave,” his 1853 memoir of being kidnapped and forced into slavery on Louisiana plantations.

To achieve the highest efficiency, as in the round-the-clock Domino refinery today, sugar houses operated night and day. “On cane plantations in sugar time, there is no distinction as to the days of the week,” Northup wrote. Fatigue might mean losing an arm to the grinding rollers or being flayed for failing to keep up. Resistance was often met with sadistic cruelty.

A formerly enslaved black woman named Mrs. Webb described a torture chamber used by her owner, Valsin Marmillion. “One of his cruelties was to place a disobedient slave, standing in a box, in which there were nails placed in such a manner that the poor creature was unable to move,” she told a W.P.A. interviewer in 1940. “He was powerless even to chase the flies, or sometimes ants crawling on some parts of his body.”

Louisiana led the nation in destroying the lives of black people in the name of economic efficiency. The historian Michael Tadman found that Louisiana sugar parishes had a pattern of “deaths exceeding births.” Backbreaking labor and “inadequate net nutrition meant that slaves working on sugar plantations were, compared with other working-age slaves in the United States, far less able to resist the common and life-threatening diseases of dirt and poverty,” wrote Tadman in a 2000 study published in the American Historical Review. Life expectancy was less like that on a cotton plantation and closer to that of a Jamaican cane field, where the most overworked and abused could drop dead after seven years

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[IllmaticDelta]

@IllmaticDelta In your research, have you heard or come across this before?

that's some made up BS

 

[invalid]

that's some made up BS

Damn, that thought has certainly been around for a minute.

 

[keond]

I always heard they sent slaves to a plantation in Charleston SC to break them. Not so incidentally, thats where the largest slave port in America was

 

[invalid]

In the 1619 Project essay about The Barbaric History of Sugar in America, Dr. Muhammad wrote

Thanks. Didn't know this. It's funny how all these southern states, Virginia, South Carolina, Louisiana, and Mississippi all seemed to make the same claims as being the most powerful or wealthiest states in the south.

 

[LurkMoar]

How did slaves who never been down south hear about it?

Like breh earlier said it was more about getting their families split

 

[get these nets]

For my own family, yes. My people were from Tippah and Pontotoc Counties on one side of my father's line. The family that owned my ancestors had two plantations that they had their slaves traveling in between. They were originally from North Carolina.

On the other side of my father's family, they were from the Mississippi/Louisiana border, in Pike, Amite, Tangipahoa Counties. The families that owned them were from South Carolina. We have the wills, slave schedules, etc.. that even name individual enslaved family members.

50% of white Mississippians owned slaves so blacks with ties to Mississippi will be from all over. Not from any specific region or plantation.

Thanks for the info.
My original question was more about the region(s) of MS that the majority of Chi people have roots in.

There was a thread about the Great Migration , and Alabama-to-Jersey came up. Newark,NJ had people from multiple places from the South, but a high % were from Southeast Alabama and bordering Southwest Georgia counties.
NJ industries sent recruiters to specific areas.

In keeping with the premise of the thread, was trying to see if a section of MS had been identified for being the place where a high % of MS to Chicago transplants arrived from.
That group would have an outsize influence on every aspect of Chicago culture.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Well I've heard this a few different times and this would have came from blacks that were more educated than most on American history.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Damn, that thought has certainly been around for a minute.

No it hasn't

 

[IllmaticDelta]

One final point is that not every person that settled in Chicago was from Mississippi. Some where from Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, Arkansas and Alabama.

a big portion of the black people in Chicago have Louisiana roots too, that's why Chicago was the first Northern hotbed for Jazz prior to 1920

 

[Seoul Gleou]

they say the same thing about cacs that got shipped to australia. yet australia has less violence than most cac majority nations

this topic is dumb anyway. whatever slaves felt was justfied, "crude" or otherwise. they were fukking slaves.