Has Anyone Else Heard That The Roughest and Most Crude Slaves Went to Mississippi?

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Said it was a running joke.. However, those same steel mills closed soon after the great migration took place.. The pullman porters were first to make it up and notify those in the south of the opportunities. Now the discussion is what did the southern brehs do in Chicago when all the factory and steel mill jobs left?

The steel mills were still running in the 70s and 80s so I am not sure what period of time that you are referring to. The last steel mill didn't close until 1992. However, none of that had anything to do with Black people. It had to do with market forces, because if steel could be produced cheaper overseas then that is what happened.

A lot of Black people went on to work in government like for the post office, police department, bus operators, fire department, sanitation on and on and on. A lot of those people kids went to college. I think that people are confusing hood nikkas with regular Black people.

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The steel mills were still running in the 70s and 80s so I am not sure what period of time that you are referring to. The last steel mill didn't close until 1992. However, none of that had anything to do with Black people. It had to do with market forces, because if steel could be produced cheaper overseas then that what is what happened.

A lot of Black people went on to work in government like for the post office, police department, bus operators, fire department, sanitation on and on and on. A lot of htose people kids went to college. I think that people are confusing hood nikkas with regular Black people.

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They were closed breh.

The steel mill on 107th and Vincennes was closed in the 80s breh.. A rail road track ran down Beverly to the steel mill on 75th and Ashland.. Matter of fact, the houses on Beverly drive from 103rd to 95th use to be where the tracks were.. All those was closed before 92.. I remember when a lot of the streets was paved in bricks.. I've been in Chicago a very long time..
 

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They were closed breh.

The steel mill on 107th and Vincennes was closed in the 80s breh.. A rail road track ran down Beverly to the steel mill on 75th and Ashland.. Matter of fact, the houses on Beverly drive from 103rd to 95th use to be where the tracks were.. All those was closed before 92.. I remember when a lot of the streets was paved in bricks.. I've been in Chicago a very long time..

Didn't you just state what I stated? I wrote that they were still open into the 70s and the 80s and the last steel mill closed in 92 (I think it was southworks).. Then you wrote that they closed in the 80s. I am pretty sure that we are saying the same thing. I don't know how long you have been in Chicago, but I finally moved from there in 2016. By that time my family had lived in Chicago since the 40s.
 

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Didn't you just state what I stated? I wrote that they were still open into the 70s and the 80s and the last steel mill closed in 92 (I think it was southworks).. Then you wrote that they closed in the 80s. I am pretty sure that we are saying the same thing. I don't know how long you have been in Chicago, but I finally moved from there in 2016. By that time my family had lived in Chicago since the 40s.

Im sure we are..
But what im saying is when shyt dried up in Chicago, people continued to move from south to north.. At that point, all that was left was the dope game..
 

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I was just reminded of this after hearing a woman retell a story and mention it.

Is there historical truth to this?

Being from Chicago and a son of Mississippi, there is an aggression that black people have in Chicago, that I haven't really seen anywhere else. Chicago nikkas go from 0-100 at the slightest provocation.

I even remember visiting a couple of HBCUs that traditionally get a lot of Chicago folks and finding out 95% of the drama on those campuses were started by Chicago folks.

So is there any evidence that Mississippi got the slaves that nobody wanted?

The saying goes that Virginia and the Carolinas got the 'choice' slaves. And by the time the ships got to Louisiana and Mississippi, the only thing that was left were the rejects.


This is a popular rumor for Jamaica too.
 

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The term being “sold up river” literally referenced the transporting of slaves from Louisville to Mississippi up the the Ohio and Mississippi river. The period around the 1850’s was when the upland South states like Kentucky, , Tennessee, VA started selling their slaves to the deep south particularly Mississippi. This was a common threat to rebellious slaves.
 

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Them folk in Mississippi my people. Some of my ancestors started in Columbus, and I ended up moving down there from NC. They accepted me when I was a young boy that moved down there. I love the Sipp, from the Coast, to Jack Town, Starkville, all the way up to Oxford
 

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Breh who told you all of that crazy shyt? You don't want to listen to those fools anymore and on top of that those nikkas don't know anything about US history

Interesting. Well I've heard this a few different times and this would have came from blacks that were more educated than most on American history.

The conversation in question was from a black woman from Chicago who grew up well-to-do. She married a man from South Carolina from an equally well-to-do family. She was jokingly recalling how when she went to meet his family in South Carolina, she went down there kind of snobbish but was quickly put into place by her would-be-then mother in-law. Once her mother in-law found out that her people were from Mississippi, she snidely quipped "well you know, the rougher coarser slaves were sent to Mississippi." This was from a woman from South Carolina. Maybe it was just an old-time myth, but the thought was that black families from Maryland, Virginia, and the Carolinas were better than the black families from the Lower South because they came from the more desired slaves who were purchased there first, with the leftovers being sent to the Lower South. Again, I meant to look into this because I've heard this before. I didn't think it was completely outside the realm of possibility seeing that, for instance, England sent its undersirables to Australia and sometimes the Colonies. I didn't know if that practice carried over into the slave trade. Some people are even remarking that they heard of that happening with Jamaica.

First of all Mississippi did not even enter the union until the time of the Louisiana Purchase, which was in 1803. The USA bought Mississippi from France after France lost their war in Haiti. Virginia and Carolina were part of original 13 colonies, with Virginia being a colony in the 1607 and Carolina becoming a colony in 1629 and a different charter was issued in 1712. So Virginia and Carolina were around for almost 200 years, before anyone ever even heard of Mississippi. So tell those nikkas to do some research.

You got a point. But although it wasn't 'officially' Mississippi, slavery had been in that territory for much longer. Slavery began in Natchez in 1719. In fact, there were a number of slave rebellions throughout the 1700's in Natchez.

The second thing is that the Black people from Mississippi ancestors are actually from Virginia and the Carolinas. When Mississippi opened up White people needed slaves to work the land so they purchased slaves from the slave owners in Virginia, the Carolinas and Georgia. That episode in history was called being "Sold down the River." The slaves hated it, because they knew that they were going to be separated from their families on the plantations in the East and they also knew that the slave owners in places like Mississippi were some poor broke ass White trash that could not afford many slaves so they were going to work the few slaves that they could afford to death in order to make a profit. So it was basically a death sentence to be sold into the deep south. Read "Uncle Tom's Cabin" to understand what drove some slaves to run away. They didn't want to be sold into the deep South. Haven't you noticed the broke ass crackas that live in places like Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas? Well now imagine what their broke ass ancestors looked like.

Yes, this was called the "Second Middle Passage".

But Mississippi became the wealthiest state of the Confederacy. I've always thought the the whites in Mississippi and Alabama were dirt poor because they relied more on the slave economy. When slavery was abolished, they had the most to lose, which is why they fought so hard for it. A stat came out saying 50% of whites in Mississippi owned slaves, although assuredly, not all of them were wealthy, with most probably owning only one or two.

Natchez had more millionaires per capita then anywhere in the south. Natchez, along with Mobile, rivaled even Richmond and Charleston at one point.
 

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Chi just has a lot of aggressive people. Of all races.
In fact, and we've discussed this before, after MLK marched in Marquette Park in the 60s, he said
“I have never seen, even in Mississippi and Alabama, mobs as hateful as I’ve seen here in Chicago,”

Yeah, well even many of the white folks were from Mississippi.
 

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@Dorian Gray ,
Have you gone back far enough to pinpoint the counties and plantations many Chicago-via-MS people have ties to? Reason I ask is that although there were no 'better' systems of slavery, there were definitely ones that were worse. Sugar plantations were the absolute worst in terms of injuries, deaths, and conditions.

Some of the biggest rebellions occurred in colonies and regions where that was the cash crop. MS is associated with cotton, but the general gulf region produced the bulk of the sugar. Some of it had to come from MS.

For my own family, yes. My people were from Tippah and Pontotoc Counties on one side of my father's line. The family that owned my ancestors had two plantations that they had their slaves traveling in between. They were originally from North Carolina.

On the other side of my father's family, they were from the Mississippi/Louisiana border, in Pike, Amite, Tangipahoa Counties. The families that owned them were from South Carolina. We have the wills, slave schedules, etc.. that even name individual enslaved family members.

50% of white Mississippians owned slaves so blacks with ties to Mississippi will be from all over. Not from any specific region or plantation.

Do you have any sources with respect to sugar cane plantations being worse than cotton plantations?
 
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