Has any QB gotten the “needs more weapons” excuse more than Cam Newton?

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Why is McCaffrey doing better with Allen in?

Weren’t Cam stans saying feeding him is holding back the offense until now. :russ:

Being that Allen is the better downfield passer, defenses probably don’t have to play as close in the box bexause the only threat was Cam or CMC running before, nothing deep. Now he’s out in space doing his thing.


He had 200 all purpose yards and 2 TDs his 1st game of the season with Cam. :scust:
 

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Seems like the Cam defense is a lil over the top
 

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Cam is inaccurate. He throws 59% for his career. He’s always missing open receivers, usually high. He still has inconsistent mechanics and throws off his back foot when there’s not even pressure coming.
His completion percentage was 67.9% last season. :francis:
He’s subpar as a pocket passer. That’s why he’s been :trash: since his injury. He’s not effective if he’s not mobile and running and hitting open receivers when the coverage breaks down. If he has to stand in the pocket and deliver the whole game, he is at best an average QB.
Cam Newton has top tier pocket presence. This is silly. Last season he completed 67% of his passes with the 5th lowest Time to throw in the league.

In his first two games this season the had an average time to throw of 2.37 seconds. And this is where I begin to question your understanding of football yet again. The issue isn't that Cam Newton can't operate in the pocket -- he does. It's that due to an often piecemeal Offense line he hasn't had the time to operate inside of it and being injured he can't escape to extend the plays. In one way you are correct, he can't stand in the pocket and shine when there's no pocket to protect him :skip:.


So yes peak Cam is better than Kyle Allen obviously but he’s getting older and more injured every year.

Even injured Cam Newton hasn't been much different than Kyle Allen. The major difference is an improved defense, an improved offensive line, and CMC playing at a different level (in particular big plays for touchdowns). But that doesn't fit your narrative. :bryan:


Why is McCaffrey doing better with Allen in?
He's not. :sas2:

By the week:
1: 19 rushes/29 touches/11 targets 209 total yards 2 TD.
2.: 16 rushes/16 touches/6 targets 53 total yards 0TD
3: 24 rushes/25 touches/4 targets 188 total yards 1TD
4: 27 Rush/37 touches/10 targets 179 total yards, 1 TD
5: 19 Rush/25 touches/8 targets 237 total yards 3TD
6: 22 Rush/27 touches/5 Targets 57 total yards, 2TD

Weeks 2 and 6 were against TB who really shut him down compared to any other team. But we had better field position due to turnovers so a 20 yard play becomes a touchdown instead of a first down. :yeshrug:


Since I look at the defense let's take a closer look.
  • During weeks 1 and 2 the panthers had a total of 4 sacks 1 takeway.
  • Since then the defense has racked up 23 sacks, six fumble recovers, and 8 interceptions
I'm no genius, but it seems like we should be talking about the turn around of this defense and it's ability to put us into position to win, CMC who is having an MVP caliber season so far, and Curtis Samuel who is emerging as a legitimate playmaker in the NFL more than this false narrative that Kyle Allen who is middle of the pack with a QBR lower than Cam Newton's last season has somehow transforming this team with effortless play.

The reality of the matter is we are a better team with a Healthy Kyle Allen over an injured Cam Newton -- not whatever hot take this is. But I'm not the only saying that.

Kyle Allen managed the game well. He was 20-of-32 for 227 yards, two touchdowns and no interceptions, and he didn’t fumble! He wasn’t the reason the Panthers won the game, but he also wasn’t the reason they lost, and that’s really all you can ask for from your backup quarterback.

I’m not ready to say that the Panthers have a quarterback controversy, because let’s be honest: Kyle Allen is not better than a 100 percent healthy Cam Newton, and if that’s the Cam Newton who returns the choice of who should start is quite clear. However, the Panthers should not rush Newton back into action and should wait until he is 100 percent, because right now Allen is doing exactly what they need him to do — manage the ship until the captain returns.
. Quarterback Kyle Allen doesn't have to be great when you're doing that defensively, and Cam Newton doesn't have to rush back when Allen isn't doing anything to hurt the team. -- David Newton
The Panthers have gone undefeated in Newton's absence, but it's not like they haven't felt an absence. For one, they've missed the threat of a healthy Cam in short-yardage. The Panthers are just 3-of-7 on third or fourth down with 2 yards or less to go since Allen took over, including stuffs against the Jaguars and Buccaneers. Christian McCaffrey converted after a third-and-1 attempt failed, but the Panthers then passed up the chance to convert two later fourth-and-shorts. Ron Rivera's team was 36-of-51 last season.

The Panthers will have no need to rush Newton back from his foot injury with Allen playing well; when they feel like he is ready at 100%, they should make the switch back. Newton is realistically a better all-around quarterback than Allen and has a much higher ceiling.


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They stayed claiming the Panthers were forcing the ball to McCac to make him a star over Cam :mjlol:
Actually the question was why wasn't cam getting the ball in short yard situations where he coverts over 70 percent of the time.

We now know it's because he had a broken foot instead of the he's fine narrative cam and the team ran with to start the season.
 

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lol you typed all that just to confirm that Cam “needs more weapons” Newton doesn’t really need more weapons as the Cam stan narrative goes. :salute:

5 star the thread and + rep me.

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The consensus going into this season what that Cam Newton had weapons and that wouldn't be an excuse if he was healthy and the team continued to struggle. :pachaha:
 

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If you say so. I certainly don’t recall a lot of preseason projections that the Panthers were loaded at the skill positions and had “the best weapons in franchise history.” I saw a lot of 8-8 finishes and middle of the power rankings.

A lot of QBs don’t consistently have good weapons but still manage to complete 60% for a career and not miss open receivers and throw off their back foot routinely.

A lot of QBs would’ve loved to have came into the league with several years of Steve Smith and Greg Olsen plus Deangelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart as their weapons.

Stan away though.
 
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Because his backup came in and nobody mentions lack of weapons anymore?????
or maybe you aren't smart enough to know that we are talking about most of Cam's career. Saying Cam didn't have weapons didn't start with the arrival of his back up.
 

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or maybe you aren't smart enough to know that we are talking about most of Cam's career. Saying Cam didn't have weapons didn't start with the arrival of his back up.
What does early in his career have to do with 2019? And lol at your emotional lame ass always trying to insult somebody over a simple conversation. Such a female. Y’all internet nikkas so damn weird
 

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What does early in his career have to do with 2019?
Because the "he needs more weapons" commentary covered most of his career.

What you're saying is 2019 and the cast he has around him now reflects his career. It doesn't.
 

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Because the "he needs more weapons" commentary covered most of his career.

What you're saying is 2019 and the cast he has around him now reflects his career. It doesn't.
What I’m saying is his offense this year is basically the same as last year. Kyle Allen looks good because of one player and that player was there last year too. It’s always an excuse for post 2015 cam. He’s hurt, he has no weapons. He had weapons last year and this year. I’ll give him a pass for the years after the super bowl run up until mcaffrey came. Why is Kyle Allen ballin with Cams (bad weapons)? The same bad weapons that were there last year (Mcaffrey, Moore, Samuel)
 
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