Harvard Scientists Find Proof that Meditation Switches Stress and Immune System Genes On and Off

[ExodusNirvana]

"When you pray you talk to God, when you meditate God talks to you"-Killah Priest

I keep trying to explain to people that prayer and meditation are two completely different things. Thank you for this line. The shyt sums it up

Dudes gonna spend a lot of time on their knees praying to some shyt that may or may not even exist, while meditation is very very real.

You're not even really supposed to think of anything when you meditate unless you're doing some sort of chant or verbal sound that allows your body to get into a certain mindstate a la Tibetan or Yogi practices. shyt disrupts the whole process, which is more like putting yourself in an awake but not awake state. That's what meditation is. This is why in a lot of schools of meditation you need to learn to BREATHE first or at the very least be able to focus on a single point on the wall so you know what it's like to be able to block out all things.

Worship your God(s) however you like, no matter how hard you try to appropriate it in order to further your cause, prayer is NOT meditation.

Also...stop arguing with Mowgli, he's a troll and is not really adding to the discussion in any way.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

. Its nothing i can qualify for you with words friend. I know when im talking to God.

prove it.

God is in my heart.

Prove it.

1. Where is your heart if not the blood pump in your upper left chest

2. how is god "in your heart?"

You should put God in yours

Why your god?

You'd be better for it.

Prove it

Probably say less satanic filth to strangers.

thats your opinion

Its hard to listen when you're possessed though. In the name of Jesus Christ i command the demon controlling Napoleon to leave at this instant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im famished.

Oh ok. I'll eat an apple in your name too.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

IF you pray right it does all these things.... so technically it does work.

so if it only works in some cases, whats the point in praying?

Praying isn't asking for a new bmw or whatever u think it is... so in that case naw it wouldn't work.

Why not?

 

[Blackking]

I keep trying to explain to people that prayer and meditation are two completely different things. Thank you for this line. The shyt sums it up

Dudes gonna spend a lot of time on their knees praying to some shyt that may or may not even exist, while meditation is very very real.

You're not even really supposed to think of anything when you meditate unless you're doing some sort of chant or verbal sound that allows your body to get into a certain mindstate a la Tibetan or Yogi practices.

Worship your God(s) however you like, no matter how hard you try to appropriate it in order to further your cause, prayer is NOT meditation.

There are different forms of prayer...

I do yoga and hot yoga and meditation n all sorts of shyt... almost daily.

I pray on Fridays tho.. When I do there is much kneeling, standing, etc and deep thinking and concentration involved. People pray in different ways .... but regardless,

you can benefit from both.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Motherfukkers really arguing in a topic about meditation

 

[ExodusNirvana]

There are different forms of prayer...

I do yoga and hot yoga and meditation n all sorts of shyt... almost daily.

I pray on Fridays tho.. When I do there is much kneeling, standing, etc and deep thinking and concentration involved. People pray in different ways .... but regardless,

you can benefit from both.

Perhaps some people DO get into a meditative state when they pray but they are two different things, and from my experience, trying to mesh the two without knowing what exactly you're doing will make you loopy. You'll start seeing shyt that's not there (or shyt that is there that you're not supposed to see) or you start blanking out, or your mind will fade off and shyt.

There are psych wards in China and Japan for people who meditate too much or the wrong way...

 

[Blackking]

so if it only works in some cases, whats the point in praying?



Why not?

The point is to connect ... and if ur particular religion calls for it... to give thanks for all that u have and to ask for some extra focus on some areas of ur life that might need improvement.

Whether there's a placebo affect or not - it's much better than not doing anything because the mind is powerful as fukk. Also u should meditate as this helps as well.

And you don't ask for cars and money n shyt.... because that's just foolish, and that's not why u do it. The things u do ask for have been proven to grant u all ur desires. For example, I'm a young nikka that can do anything i want basically---- all I've ever asked for was more focus, and more ability to fight temptation.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

But he thinks he is God so you're saying hes doing extra with his words just to say hes talking to himself.

Whether God is yourself, Allah, Yahweh, mother earth, Zeus, love, whatever, or just a metaphor for the mysterious state of existence, the point to extract is meditation is a tool to help foster a mental state conducive to wisdom and peace in your existence.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The point is to connect ...

...with what?

and if ur particular religion calls for it... to give thanks for all that u have and to ask for some extra focus on some areas of ur life that might need improvement.

and this still doesn't make sense.

Why is it "religion dependent?"

Does prayer work or not?

if it only works in certain "mental" contexts, then its NOT working.

Whether there's a placebo affect or not - it's much better than not doing anything because the mind is powerful as fukk. Also u should meditate as this helps as well.

OK...and what about prayer then?

And you don't ask for cars and money n shyt.... because that's just foolish,

Why is that foolish? Unless you're just gonna impose a societal standard instead of a universal one.

how is asking for food on the table or money to pay rent any different from some nice accoutrements?

and that's not why u do it.

sounds like you're just making shyt up.

The things u do ask for have been proven to grant u all ur desires.

What???

For example, I'm a young nikka that can do anything i want basically---- all I've ever asked for was more focus, and more ability to fight temptation.

You had to pray for that?

Basically you pray for something you can already get and claim god gave it to you?

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

Perhaps some people DO get into a meditative state when they pray but they are two different things, and from my experience,

There are psych wards in China and Japan for people who meditate too much or the wrong way...

Yep. Zuo Ho Lu Muo/Fire Goes to the Devil. Never seen it myself or anything like that, but you really do need a teacher for these things.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Whether God is yourself, Allah, Yahweh, mother earth, Zeus, love, whatever, or just a metaphor for the mysterious state of existence, the point to extract is meditation is a tool to help foster a mental state conducive to wisdom and peace in your existence.

Just like prayer.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

You know what? I will share a meditation experience I had recently cause @Broletariat is right...this is a topic that needs to be discussed cause it could save a lot of peoples lives especially the younger dudes who sometimes get caught up in the quickness and fast pace aspect of life in 2013.

Spoiler

I been experimenting with meditating based on the phases of the moon because I noticed that the shyt really does effect peoples moods and not just women.

When I was meditating during a full moon maybe last month or the month before, I started feeling this level of clarity that I usually get during meditation but during the full moon the shyt happened very very quickly. Normally it takes me maybe 10 or 15 minutes to get into that state but I'm guessing the shyt happened in far less than that this time around. The room felt immediately HUGE. Like I started realizing just how small I was in comparison to my surroundings (a reminder why during the summer and spring months you NEED to meditate outside) and then all of a sudden it was like wow I'm here on Earth in NY in the crib but consider how SMALL you are. You are like a fukking atom compared to the rest of the shyt in the world let alone the universe. I lost it shortly afterwards because I got distracted by sounds from outside but then I did some fighting dancing (aka shadowboxing) a few minutes later and the fluidity that came from that shyt was almost scary. I also tried a break the very next day (single red brick) and the shyt went through like BUTTER. That NEVER happened before and I hadn't even been conditioning regularly.

The whole thing made me take a step back and realize WHOA I been neglecting a huge part of training....if you're constantly training, constantly working out, constantly doing physical activity, you NEED to take at least 20 min out of your day and just sit and focus on your breathing, don't think, don't ponder, don't do anything, just BE. The mind can get cluttered as fukk in this day and age and the meditation will help you relax your mind which will in turn relax the body. You'll sleep better, your awareness will be higher, and little subtle movements that you didn't pay attention to before will be like

All that testosterone and energy pumping through your body is good for the body but not necessarily for the for mind. Gives you and inflated sense of self and it lies to your body making you think you're really greater than you are at that moment. Now maybe you ARE stronger or fast than what you are but you need to able to RELAX brehs...to let go. No herb, no drink, just let go and chill for a second and be at peace.

I think that's why some people liken meditation to prayer actually. Because of the inner peace that sometimes comes from it!

 

[Mr. Somebody]

prove it.

Prove it.

1. Where is your heart if not the blood pump in your upper left chest

2. how is god "in your heart?"

Why your god?

Prove it thats your opinion



Oh ok. I'll eat an apple in your name too.

Ironic coming from a man that ended up in a mental asylum. Maybe he should have stayed closer to God.

 

[The Real]

Just like prayer.

It depends on the kind of prayer, friend. Regular, protestant or Catholic prayer where you just kneel and "talk" to God and ask for forgiveness or pray for other such things doesn't do what meditation does, because it is in no way a rigorous mental-physical procedure and doesn't cultivate particular mental or physical abilities. It is more purely psychological. If you look in the traditions of Christian mysticism, though, you find the kinds of concentration and mental practices that do qualify as actual meditation.

 

[ltheghost]

I'm game. I used to mediate a lot when I was in college (women and studies kept me stressed). I'm going to get back into it. I used to do a lot of Zen meditations. I am nothing/I am everything. Just trying to find the balance. Real relaxing.