Harden to Houston

[tremonthustler1]

And that's the problem. These guys are billionaires. If they really want to win, spend the damn money. That's the game.

And if he really wanted to pinch pennies, he should have paid Harden and let Ibaka walk, in my opinion. He's much more replaceable as far as I'm concerned.

I hear you. I don't know what it feels like to have a $70 mil bill, but I also don't know how it feels to be a billionaire either. It's just one of those things where even super rich teams are trying to avoid it if possible.

 

[Regular_P]

you grouped martin and ibaka together with perkins, by saying kd and sabo are surrounded by a bunch of extremely limited players. martin isn't a extremely limited player. and stop saying they fukked up by trading harden... they couldn't afford to keep him

the assets they got from trading harden..............

Martin gives you 15/2/1 with no defense. How is that not limited?

Look at their rotation tonight: Durant, Westbrook, Thabo, Perk, Ibaka, Collison, Reggie Jackson and Martin.

Two guys who can create their own shot or for others (Durant and Westbrook), four guys who give you next to nothing offensively (Perk, Thabo, Collison and Jackson), one shooter (Martin) and one spot-up big (Ibaka).

That's a limited roster. Where are you finding assets in that besides Durant and Westbrook? Lamb isn't even in the fukking league right now and PG3 barely plays. If those two were legit, they should be able to crack this rotation.

The only asset they might have is that Raptors' pick that might not even be in the lottery anymore with the way they've been playing. At best, it'll be a low pick in a weak draft.

 

[tremonthustler1]

If okc gets ben mclemore

They can't. The Toronto pick is top 3 protected.

 

[Regular_P]

I hear you. I don't know what it feels like to have a $70 mil bill, but I also don't know how it feels to be a billionaire either. It's just one of those things where even super rich teams are trying to avoid it if possible.

It's a shame they feel that way and it's also a shame that a team like OKC, who built most of that team from the ground up felt they needed to break it up. They're being punished, not rewarded for competent management.

 

[tremonthustler1]

It's a shame they feel that way and it's also a shame that a team like OKC, who built most of that team from the ground up felt they needed to break it up. They're being punished, not rewarded for competent management.

If it were me I woulda had a rule where I'd have one max deal not count against the cap or tax, like a reverse amnesty. Tough situation for them (and even teams that aren't even on that level)

 

[FreedS[ohh]lave]

Should have let Ibaka go all he does above average is weakside shot block

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Martin gives you 15/2/1 with no defense. How is that not limited?

Look at their rotation tonight: Durant, Westbrook, Thabo, Perk, Ibaka, Collison, Reggie Jackson and Martin.

Two guys who can create their own shot or for others (Durant and Westbrook), four guys who give you next to nothing offensively (Perk, Thabo, Collison and Jackson), one shooter (Martin) and one spot-up big (Ibaka).

That's a limited roster. Where are you finding assets in that besides Durant and Westbrook? Lamb isn't even in the fukking league right now and PG3 barely plays. If those two were legit, they should be able to crack this rotation.

The only asset they might have is that Raptors' pick that might not even be in the lottery anymore with the way they've been playing. At best, it'll be a low pick in a weak draft.

Martin isn't an extremely limited player. he's given you the same amount of production harden did.... and they both ass on defense. no matter which way you try to spin it... he isn't an extremely limited player. neither is ibaka. the others i made no argument for so i dont know why you're bringing them into the conversation.

lamb and rg3 dont have a spot in the rotation mainly because of brooks. they are still both assets. they got two picks out of that trade. they still might not make the playoffs and that pick will still have value. nevertheless they still have assets to get a star player.

 

[Regular_P]

Martin isn't an extremely limited player. he's given you the same amount of production harden did.... and they both ass on defense. no matter which way you try to spin it... he isn't an extremely limited player. neither is ibaka. the others i made no argument for so i dont know why you're bringing them into the conversation.

lamb and rg3 dont have a spot in the rotation mainly because of brooks. they are still both assets. they got two picks out of that trade. they still might not make the playoffs and that pick will still have value. nevertheless they still have assets to get a star player.

Martin doesn't give near the production Harden did. Harden allowed Durant and Westbrook to play off the ball. He set both of them up and ran the offense when he was on the floor. Martin just spots up on the perimeter and drives to the hoop once in a while. Literally nothing else.

Explain how Ibaka isn't a limited player. What's he doing that Omer Asik wouldn't do for this team?

 

[The War Report]

OKC needs a competent big that's not named Kendrick Perkins.

 

[Da King]

@Loose


fakkit?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Martin doesn't give near the production Harden did. Harden allowed Durant and Westbrook to play off the ball. He set both of them up and ran the offense when he was on the floor. Martin just spots up on the perimeter and drives to the hoop once in a while. Literally nothing else.

Explain how Ibaka isn't a limited player. What's he doing that Omer Asik wouldn't do for this team?

Martin avg 15. Harden avg 16. With less posessions/usage. their production is similar.

That's because he has got a limited role in the offense- he could be so much more if Brooks used him properly.

Ibaka isn't limited to the degree Perkins/Sefo are. That's the problem I had with your initial statement... you grouped him and martin in with perkins and sefo (as extremely limited players). If thunder used ibaka in strength-situations he would be more effective.

 

[Regular_P]

Martin avg 15. Harden avg 16. With less posessions/usage. their production is similar.

That's because he has got a limited role in the offense- he could be so much more if Brooks used him properly.

Ibaka isn't limited to the degree Perkins/Sefo are. That's the problem I had with your initial statement... you grouped him and martin in with perkins and sefo (as extremely limited players). If thunder used ibaka in strength-situations he would be more effective.

But Martin doesn't do anything else. Like I said, Harden could run their offense and free up Durant and Westbrook, particularly in the fourth quarter. Martin cannot do that. Without Harden, OKC has no natural passers on the roster. That's why the ball sticks even more this season.

What's Ibaka's strength besides spot-up shooting? He can't create his own shot. Miami has zero bigs but there's nothing he can do to take advantage of it.

I agree that Brooks is a major problem for their team though. He's not the guy to take them over the top.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

But Martin doesn't do anything else. Like I said, Harden could run their offense and free up Durant and Westbrook, particularly in the fourth quarter. Martin cannot do that. Without Harden, OKC has no natural passers on the roster. That's why the ball sticks even more this season.

What's Ibaka's strength besides spot-up shooting? He can't create his own shot. Miami has zero bigs but there's nothing he can do to take advantage of it.

I agree that Brooks is a major problem for their team though. He's not the guy to take them over the top.

OKC has had more ball movement this season than they did last season (particularly their 2nd unit). martin isn't the ball handler Harden is... but their offense could still have the same effectiveness if they had MORE ball movement. plus if they maximised catering to his strengths, he'd add an element(s) to their offense that harden never did. he could have relatively the same impact harden had if they used him properly.

ibaka isn't particularly good at creating his shot, but if given the right amount of touches (in a proper flowing offense), would avg around 15-16 points. which isn't in extremely limited territory when he's a '3rd/4th option'.

 

[Loose]

@Loose


fakkit?

fukk im mad about?

 

[Omar Little]

Can someone tell me why Lamb and PJ3 are both still in Developmental?