Group Economics? Why are blacks afraid to take that leap and be free?

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Black people don't have that sense of communalism, and for that matter neither do white people. The only people that do are immigrant groups from their respective nations who have established, homogenous communities in various locales.

Group economics for black people would be a good thing. As for why it doesn't happen, there's an obvious historical explanation. Black Americans were brought here against their will, stripped of family, culture, spiritual bonds, broken up, scattered around, mixed in with other races, integrated in with whites,and conditioned to compete against each other for the last 3 centuries. I don't think it's fair to say we're scared. We just suffer from a unique mis-shapen history and culture that's led to a weird dynamic.

That's a completely different dynamic than a group of ethnically homogenous immigrants from Italy, Nigeria, Cambodia or wherever it may be that start a foothold in some locale. They see one of their own and they're like Black Americans and white Americans both are so heterogeneous in every way they see one of their own race and they're just another person. It wouldn't be that bad if we weren't socioeconomically at the bottom. White people can get away with it because such a great proportion of them have been middle class and higher for generations. Even that's changing though.

So you are white as well but I have a Master's degree in African American studies from Cal-Berkley and I used to work in the innercity.

How was it? Why did you choose AA studies? Whats your undergrad? How are you using the degree now?

 

[88m3]

Why are blacks scared? Group economics for blacks would be a good thing, out unemployment rate gap would shrink. No need for discrimination or Affirmative Action. We'd be alleviated from the nation's financial strain.

Why can't blacks understands whites do this to you EVERY day of their lives, in every aspect?

is this a character alias?

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

So you are white as well but I have a Master's degree in African American studies from Cal-Berkley and I used to work in the innercity.

How was it? Why did you choose AA studies? Whats your undergrad? How are you using the degree now?

Lol...you really thought me and @Broke Wave were serious in that thread? Step your troll-dar up.

 

[Kritic]

back to being black

 

[Blackking]

blacks aren't afraid.
1) Foreign groups come here and click up because they have their own cultures and because they are the particular business minded people from those nations (not the average person).
Some mexican communities link up because of language and culture as well - even if they aren't as good w business.

2) Black people believe that we are a part of a nation - when we really are just benefiting the nation. Most AA live in the US --- We don't just have our most intelligent or business minded people - so it seems that we are more clueless at large in comparison w other groups.

If you take the best of black excellence in America... you end up with some of the best nurses, teachers, speakers, IT professionals, Musicians, creative personalities, and business leaders.

We compare ourselves with tiny fractions of these other groups because we chose to play into the inferiority complexes and because we chose to be uncomfortable with the behavior of the masses of ignorant blacks in America. Look at any of these people and nations --- they are fukked up for the most part with less excellence than we show year after year.

I say fukk all that... there are millions of us doing OK.and millions doing great.... eventually the masses will improve and we make progress yearly. Group Economic starts at the personal level. We are trapped in America - this isn't set up for us so it will be difficult to 100% practice group economics.

To solve the issue of having to deal w these 'others' and CAC - we should always try to benefit our people as an end goal.--- even if we do have to fukk w the rest to make it in the first place....

 

[Micky Mikey]

I'd say DC and Atlanta are front runners



Because they brainwash you into forgetting you're a minority, so just because one individual is "nice to you", doesn't mean they have the insight to understand that not everyone OF THEIR RACE has the same sentiments about blacks. This creates the inconvenience that @TheReckoning is getting at. Most blacks don't wanna "upset white folk" so they put on their tap dancing shoes and turn a blind eye to blatant disregard for the well being of their own people.

Meanwhile Hispanics and Jews form up on brehs DAILY putting together networks that are beneficial to them....but when blacks do it it's always some honkie in you face talking about "we're one race, let's do it together" ...so you start talking about you can't eat that manifesto TODAY, they don't have an answer for you.

We gotta learn to do this shyt ourselves.

This is why I am weary of the white liberal. Their whole philosophy is to keep blacks dependent which ultimately renders us powerless. Group economics is practiced by almost every ethnic group besides American whites (for obvious reasons) and blacks. It makes no sense for blacks to NOT practice it considering our population size.
DC and Atlanta have a lot of successful blacks entrepreneurs but that doesn't necessarily indicate the state of blacks in these cities as whole. Group economics is more than starting your business. The ultimatum of group economics is having the power to control the institutions in your own community. And the fruit that it bears will manifest in every sector of the community (good schools, good governance, good services etc.).

Black people don't have that sense of communalism, and for that matter neither do white people. The only people that do are immigrant groups from their respective nations who have established, homogenous communities in various locales.

Group economics for black people would be a good thing. As for why it doesn't happen, there's an obvious historical explanation. Black Americans were brought here against their will, stripped of family, culture, spiritual bonds, broken up, scattered around, mixed in with other races, integrated in with whites,and conditioned to compete against each other for the last 3 centuries. I don't think it's fair to say we're scared. We just suffer from a unique mis-shapen history and culture that's led to a weird dynamic.

That's a completely different dynamic than a group of ethnically homogenous immigrants from Italy, Nigeria, Cambodia or wherever it may be that start a foothold in some locale. They see one of their own and they're like Black Americans and white Americans both are so heterogeneous in every way they see one of their own race and they're just another person. It wouldn't be that bad if we weren't socioeconomically at the bottom. White people can get away with it because such a great proportion of them have been middle class and higher for generations. Even that's changing though.

I don't buy into this notion that the legacy of slavery has prevented us from achieving self sufficiency. I blame it on a lack of direction and leadership. There were numerous occasions since the end of slavery where blacks practiced group economics and had thriving communities. I believe our decline is in direct correlation of when we started embracing liberal policies. It has created a culture victimization and dependency.

 

[NvrCMyNut]

The difference between american blacks and nearly every other culture. The white man has programmed american black folk to hate themselves, therefore creating a situation where it is considered "a come up" to spend money in white establishments as opposed to black ones. Its unfortunate really. By right, the black american leadership is supposed to be pushing these concepts (entrepreneur ship, group economics) to the masses, but the church and the intelligentsia have sold themselves out to corporations. More and more welfare is all they seem to care about getting In the end, resulting in a more dependent, subservient, and easily controlled people.

Blacks NEED to become more entrepreneurial and start spending with each other. But to achieve this, black neighborhoods have to be safe places to live. And until the gangsta mentality reigns (i.e. stop snitching), this will never happen unfortunately.

I don't think that was a conscious thing bro, more a natural result of the black intelligentsia coming from the marxist school of thought.

You not gon get lessons on entrepreneurship from nikkas tryna replicate the bolshevik revolution

 

[CASHAPP]

The difference between american blacks and nearly every other culture. The white man has programmed american black folk to hate themselves, therefore creating a situation where it is considered "a come up" to spend money in white establishments as opposed to black ones. Its unfortunate really. By right, the black american leadership is supposed to be pushing these concepts (entrepreneur ship, group economics) to the masses, but the church and the intelligentsia have sold themselves out to corporations. More and more welfare is all they seem to care about getting In the end, resulting in a more dependent, subservient, and easily controlled people.

Blacks NEED to become more entrepreneurial and start spending with each other. But to achieve this, black neighborhoods have to be safe places to live. And until the gangsta mentality reigns (i.e. stop snitching), this will never happen unfortunately.

NO shill or anything but even group economics aside we do this in multiple other situations besides the economy also....look at the Coli having OVER 12,000 members....my petition below in my sig having 2000 views in that thread in TLR YET only have 19 signers....

We are too self defeatist and don't have the mentality that oh....if "One of every one of us signs this that will be over 10,000" we just don't try at all...It is sad....economics wise we need to be more embarrassed than we are that Golden Krust is the most well known Black business and we don't try to create a domino effect and create more.

 

[Family Man]

Why are blacks scared? Group economics for blacks would be a good thing, out unemployment rate gap would shrink. No need for discrimination or Affirmative Action. We'd be alleviated from the nation's financial strain.

Why can't blacks understands whites do this to you EVERY day of their lives, in every aspect?

nikkas too busy trying to integrate with other races while losing the race. nikka don't have confidence in themselves and would rather hold hands with other races. That's why no one respects the nikka.

 

[CASHAPP]

nikkas too busy trying to integrate with other races while losing the race. nikka don't have confidence in themselves and would rather hold hands with other races. That's why no one respects the nikka.

once again i got the funny looks when i walked into a 99 cent store owned by some arabs

walked around and went to the back just to look for minor stocking stuffing ideas for younger relatives and this lady on the phone says "you looking for something" and i have barely been there a minute...i just ignore her and walk out 10 seconds later...

imagine how much of a mini renaissance there would be in atlanta and dc if the Black folks there started supporting every business there

 

[theworldismine13]

"group economics" is good, but is it fundamental? no

lets think about this, we are correctly observing that some immigrant groups engage in economics amongst themselves but there are 2 things you have to understand about this behavior

1) the reason they do this is because they have to, because immigrants are not generally accepted into the mainstream so they have no choice but to engage with themselves

im not knocking it but its not by design, its because they have to

2) and this is the biggie, if group economics is so great and fundamental, WHAT THE FUK ARE THEY DOING IN AMERICA? group economics obviously didnt help them in their own country, italians and polish and nigerians all practice group economics in their own countries and if it worked that great they wouldnt be moving to america

that being said, im 100 percent down with group economics, its very vital to black people because like reason #1 above we are not accepted into the mainstream, so like immigrants we have to turn inward

but anyways, the fundamental problem isnt group economics, the fundamental problem is that black people have a culture that doesnt emphasize education, and black people lack skills and education to open up real business' to a significant degree which is why even group economics will have limited impact

first comes education, then come skills and then on that foundation we can then engage in group economics effectively

 

[DEAD7]

Blacks aren't afraid, we just lack culture, and this prevents us from acting in a cohesive way.
All attempts to address the issues we face that do not involve establishing a culture... or a glue by which we are connected and held together are inherently flawed and destined to fail.

 

[theworldismine13]

Blacks aren't afraid, we just lack culture, and this prevents us from acting in a cohesive way.
All attempts to address the issues we face that do not involve establishing a culture... or a glue by which we are connected and held together are inherently flawed and destined to fail.

as youve pointed out a couple of times, you have to define culture

lets take an extreme example, let's take one of the indian tribes that are are just now making contact with the modern world, lets say they come to america, i dont think having a culture or engaging in group economics will allow them to succeed unless they educated themselves and got up to speed with the modern world, even if they open up joint business, their lack of education and understanding of the modern world would hamper their efforts

having a common culture is good because it makes it easier to organize but if these indians dont organize themselves around education, they would not thrive in the modern world regardless of their common culture or any attempts at group economics

black people are in the same situation, less extreme but the principles still applies that education and skills are the fundamental things that make a community prosperous

so the cultural shift we have to make is about education

 

[kp404]

Why are blacks scared? Group economics for blacks would be a good thing, out unemployment rate gap would shrink. No need for discrimination or Affirmative Action. We'd be alleviated from the nation's financial strain.

Why can't blacks understands whites do this to you EVERY day of their lives, in every aspect?

maybe because we don't want to be oppressive, capitalist, indiviidualistic crackas that stab each other in the back, unlike some blacks who venture into black capitalism (NOI) or Neo-Conservatism (black republicans)....

Sorry we dissapoint you, but we want to uplift ALL OUR PEOPLE, NOT SOME OF THEM...its not in our nature to be selfish indivudalistic fukks like cac leaders....we are agency people dude...

WE AREN'T SCARED OF ANYTHING SO CHANGE HOW YOU THINK OF US.

 

[theworldismine13]

maybe because we don't want to be oppressive, capitalist, indiviidualistic crackas that stab each other in the back, unlike some blacks who venture into black capitalism (NOI) or Neo-Conservatism (black republicans)....

Sorry we dissapoint you, but we want to uplift ALL OUR PEOPLE, NOT SOME OF THEM...its not in our nature to be selfish indivudalistic fukks like cac leaders....we are agency people dude...

WE AREN'T SCARED OF ANYTHING SO CHANGE HOW YOU THINK OF US.

well speak for yourself, im black and i have no problem being an oppressive, capitalistic and individualistic

i wouldnt stab anybody in the back, but i would put my interests ahead of others

black capitalism is actually the biggest threat to white supremacy and any community that doesnt practice capitalism will lose, black people being a prime example of that so therefore black people need to double down on capitalism not stay away from it, staying away from capitalism or being prevented from practicing capitalism is why we are in the economic state we are in today

conservatism has its good and bad points just like liberalism, the notion that black people are beholden to any particular political view is stupid