God's 12 Biggest d1ck Moves in the Old Testament

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NoMayo15 said:
Well, I don't know. Assuming the child is an adult, and the parents gave the car as a gift, and they no longer have ownership of it, I don't know if they have any legal grounds to take the car back.

And again, I'm not sure if the analogy fits. Not only is god taking away this "gift of life", but also damning you to an eternity of hellfire ... if you believe that sort of thing. So not only are the parents taking the car back, they're locking the child in the basement to be tortured for the rest of their lives....

This is more analogous, no? Do you think THIS is a moral act for the parents to perform because they didn't like the choices of their child?
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Is this not moving of the goalposts? We were talking of the "murders" as some called it in the bible were we not?

The analogy was the parents gave the child a car for a specific purpose. The child did not use it for that specific purpose. Therefore could the parents REASONABLY take back the car? I mean we can talk about hell, but first we were talking about the "murders". So no need to move the goalposts yet. Theres time I assume.
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But I don't choose it. I am compelled not to believe because I have a desire to believe as many true things as possible. According to some believers God made me this way. And as far as I'm concerned, I have no way to determine the validity of Christianity any more than I have the ability to confirm the hundreds of other religious beliefs. No religion is proven to likely be true, so my only option is abstinence in my belief towards the existence of a god. I don't have a connection/relationship with a supernatural being. Deistic arguments for the existence of god aren't convincing. Atheism is the only other option. It's not that I don't want to be a theist and decide one day to not believe. I sought God, and realized that if I wanted to be intellectually honest, I had to accept the fact that these beliefs are unfounded.
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Look you saying things such as "I am compelled NOT to believe..." and "my only option is abstinence in my belief towards the existence of a god" is showing that you are choosing a decision. Just because you came up with reasoning as to WHY you're atheist, doesnt mean you didnt choose.

And you say you "sought God". Well, what made you stop?
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Well then his "gift" of free will is ultimately a curse. If I have to use faith to accept these extraordinary claims as true, and he cannot give me any better evidence than the bible, then my soul is damned already. A just, knowledgeable god would understand that believing something true is not a matter of deciding if it's true or not. It's a matter of examining supporting evidence for the claim. I can't just DECIDE to believe that someone was born of a virgin, healed the sick and served as a sacrificial lamb for all humanity any more than I can just DECIDE one day I can jump off the roof of my house and fly. I mean, I can TELL you/everyone I believe that ... but ... deep down I KNOW if I do something like that I can't fly. Believing something doesn't make it true.
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Its only a curse if you make it so. It could also be a blessing if you (and I as well) use it correctly. What extraordinary claims does God ask you to believe? That God exists?

Oh I see it. The ones in bolded? Is that what salvation is about? Believing those things?
 
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Is this not moving of the goalposts? We were talking of the "murders" as some called it in the bible were we not? The analogy was the parents gave the child a car for a specific purpose. The child did not use it for that specific purpose. Therefore could the parents REASONABLY take back the car? I mean we can talk about hell, but first we were talking about the "murders". So need to move the goalposts yet. Theres time I assume.
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No it's not, because you aren't clear what you mean when you ask if it's wrong. Whether or not it's morally right/wrong to end someone's life you created, and take someone's car you bought just isn't a good example. It might not be immoral for the parents to take the car back, but it might not also be a right the parents have. Whereas it might well be in god's right and ability to take the life of some wrongdoer (as he's making up the rules as he goes anyway), I might not personally feel it to be a moral action to make. I'm not moving goal posts, it's just a false analogy.

I would say it's always morally wrong to take the life of a living human, unless there is some direct threat to my safety.... and I extend that moral guideline to any existing supernatural things as well.

Look you saying things such as "I am compelled NOT to believe..." and "my only option is abstinence in my belief towards the existence of a god" is showing that you are choosing a decision. Just because you came up with reasoning as to WHY you're atheist, doesnt mean you didnt choose.

And you say you "sought God". Well, what made you stop?
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Hm. Fair enough. Agree to disagree. If I'm choose anything it's "Do I want to live my life caring about whether my beliefs are true?" If the answer is 'yes', then Christianity goes out the window; there is little evidence confirming the claims within that religion.

I don't think I have stopped. It's the reason I have these discussions with people like you.

Is that what salvation is about? Believing those things?
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Isn't it? You tell me. Believing in Christ, who said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That's what I was taught growing up, and what I hear parroted from many Christians. Why don't you explain what you believe, and why?
 
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NoMayo15 said:
No it's not, because you aren't clear what you mean when you ask if it's wrong. Whether or not it's morally right/wrong to end someone's life you created, and take someone's car you bought just isn't a good example. It might not be immoral for the parents to take the car back, but it might not also be a right the parents have. Whereas it might well be in god's right and ability to take the life of some wrongdoer (as he's making up the rules as he goes anyway), I might not personally feel it to be a moral action to make. I'm not moving goal posts, it's just a false analogy.

I would say it's always morally wrong to take the life of a living human, unless there is some direct threat to my safety.... and I extend that moral guideline to any existing supernatural things as well.
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Im not asking about morality. I asked was it REASONABLE for them to take the car back?

I'd agree. Its wrong for YOU (or me) to take the life of a living human since life did not emanate from us. God Almighty is a different standard dont you think?
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Hm. Fair enough. Agree to disagree. If I'm choose anything it's "Do I want to live my life caring about whether my beliefs are true?" If the answer is 'yes', then Christianity goes out the window; there is little evidence confirming the claims within that religion.

I don't think I have stopped. It's the reason I have these discussions with people like you.
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Im not a christian so maybe that is something you could discuss with them. I do know that God exists though in some way.

And thats how you search for God? By having conversations with people?

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Isn't it? You tell me. Believing in Christ, who said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That's what I was taught growing up, and what I hear parroted from many Christians. Why don't you explain what you believe, and why?
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I personally dont put much stock into Jesus. Nonetheless I dont think Jesus saying that means that you have to believe he was born of a virgin and died for his sins to be saved. Do you?

I believe in the other side of the bible. I take some things from the NT(because some prophecies seem to be coming true), but it has alot of pagan elements that are inserted (such as the virgin birth) that dont seem to line up with the old testament.
 
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Figures you'd take a comment about your selfishness as a compliment when you support a god that murders kids.
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Let me get this straight....

Me saying that I am thankful for what God has done in my life makes me selfish? :mjlol: How so, friend?
 
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King-Over-Kingz said:
Im not asking about morality. I asked was it REASONABLE for them to take the car back?

I'd agree. Its wrong for YOU (or me) to take the life of a living human since life did not emanate from us. God Almighty is a different standard dont you think?


Im not a christian so maybe that is something you could discuss with them. I do know that God exists though in some way.

And thats how you search for God? By having conversations with people?


I personally dont put much stock into Jesus. Nonetheless I dont think Jesus saying that means that you have to believe he was born of a virgin and died for his sins to be saved. Do you?

I believe in the other side of the bible. I take some things from the NT(because some prophecies seem to be coming true), but it has alot of pagan elements that are inserted (such as the virgin birth) that dont seem to line up with the old testament.
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I. No, I don't think God's standard should be different. An act being moral or not shouldn't be dependant on who's performing the act ... nor when the act was performed. Rape is wrong, and has always been wrong. Slavery is wrong and has always been wrong. It doesn't matter if God kills you, the devil kills you, or if I kill you. The net outcome is still negative, and I view it as wrong.

II. I mean, obviously I don't pray anymore because I don't think I'm talking to anyone. But at one time, as I was going through my "de-conversion", I did pray about it and read scripture and yes spoke to people able what I thought and my struggles with feeling a need to confirm the validity of my beliefs in God, and Jesus as his son. And after several years of research and reading these arguments for and against the existence of god, I eventually came to the realization that I could no longer say I was an active believer in God. I could not say whether or not these stories within my religion were true, and I couldn't say whether the universe necessitates the existence of a god .... I just don't know.

III. So you're not a Christian, but a Christianity-influenced theist? Can you be more specific on why you think some parts of the bible are false? I mean, you mention the virgin birth, and that it doesn't line up with the OT ... what do you mean by that? I mean wasn't Christ's birth prophesied in the OT, in your opinion?
 
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Honestly though, one of the major dikk moves in the Bible is in the New Testament and came from Jesus. Now, you know I fukk with some of Jesus' message even though I don't believe in the fairy tales. But this one?



What a dikk.

Straight up called that woman a dog because she asked for help. Made her damn near beg.

Of course the neo-Christians now come with a million revisions and the dictionary gymnastics to play it off.
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That verse sums what Jesus thinks of white women if you read the passage before and after it
 
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