Glaring black female hypocrisy on IR/LGBT representation.

[Supper]

Black women, I think get underrepresented in lgbt. As far as lgbt is concerned Laverne Cox is the answer. When she stepped onto the scene with Orange is the New Black, she was everywhere. You couldn’t turn a channel or flip a magazine page without seeing her face or hearing her name. And hey, it’s cool she’s the first transwoman to go very far, beyond where those before her had ever gotten. But that’s all we got?? Are there no other examples of black women who are of the lgbt who can get representation like Laverne? How bout this, where is OUR Ellen Degeneris? (Don’t give me no bullshyt ass Queen Latifah) It’s a struggle being gay already, but to me it’s a bit harder to be gay and a minority.

Yup, and truthfully hetero IRBM get treated the same way by the media, despite their fairly large representation in real life.

 

[Supper]

Goes withou saying

I agree with you 100%

Every delusional intersectionalist in this thread should read this here.

 

[Barnett114]

I see the usual suspects are still doing the usual

and trying to flip everything on black men.

 

[Supper]

I see the usual suspects are still doing the usual

and trying to flip everything on black men.

The intersectionalist shuffle.

 

[Gravity]

You tried your hardest to have an intelligent respectful debate but sadly it’s been to no avail. None of the female posters even took you and your valid points seriously They just deflected and dismissed you.

The hypocrisy regarding IR with black women is something that I’ve called out since that something new movie 10 years ago. We have heard all of this nonsense about black women being loyal to black men and uninterested in white men for years, and it’s just a bunch of lies. If any of that were true then where’s the backlash from black women against IR? You don’t see it because it doesn’t exist. Black people celebrate IR, especially black women when it involves black women. A big reason that you don’t see as much IR involving black men in media as you do black women is because black men as a collective aren’t as moved by it. You don’t see black men living vicariously through other black men involved in IR the way that you see it with black women. You won’t see a black male version of scandal/something new because black women wouldn’t tolerate it and black men wouldn’t automatically flock to it on the strength of the IR dynamic. I remember years ago reading an article about Denzel saying that he purposely abstained from having non black female love interests because of the backlash he would get from white men and black women. Till this day I don’t think that you’ve ever seen Denzel kiss a white woman in one of his movies. The closest he’s really come to having an on-screen relationship with a white woman is the little white girl in that Man on Fire movie.

A lot of black women are full of shyt because they’ve been allowed to be. If you call out black women you’re accused of being a misogynistic black woman hater. It’s starting to sound like a broken record but black women have been collectively selling out for the last 40-50 years. That’s not black woman hate it’s just the reality of our situation. It started in the late 60s when they allowed white women to get in their ears planting the feminism bug. That’s when the “black pride is for black men.......we believe in intersectionality” mentality was adopted and they’ve maintained that mindset ever since.

 

[Black Nate Grey]

Agreed with the OP fully.
Im my opinion, a large number of black women's main beef with racism is sexual racism, their disdain at their perceived "unattractiveness" in society.

They don't really hate white patriarchy or white supremacy, they just want to take white women's place, as they are the ones who are considered the standard of "beauty" in current society. Whether that is with black men at the top with them or non-black men is not absolutely clear.
I know it's because black women have been shytted on for so long but it really is a symptom of low self-esteem. Just like a majority of problems with black people.

 

[Black Nate Grey]

Almost missed this. Great find.

And yet another example of how intersectional theory doesn't hold up when you take the time to examine the real facts and figures on the quality of life & marginalization of supposed "oppressed groups". "Female" & "Homosexual" are supposedly oppressed intersections along with "Black", yet when you add "female" or "homosexual" to "black" you see an increase in the quality of life, and a decrease in systematic marginalization.

Double/Triple discrimination, my ass.

I would rep this if I could.

This intersectional bullshyt is black people being played across the aisle.

• Whether it be with black conservatives or the hotep/alt-right alliance.
• LGBT and blacks. No, I don't hate black people in the LGBT spectrum. My only two beefs are: The obvious agenda. And putting yourself as LGBT first and black second. Society doesn't work like that.
• Feminism and blacks

It's a con, black people aren't ruthless enough to others to even see it. These low self-esteem people need to feel good at all costs.

 

[Supper]

You tried your hardest to have an intelligent respectful debate but sadly it’s been to no avail. None of the female posters even took you and your valid points seriously They just deflected and dismissed you.

To be fair, we had two give us the ol' college try.

The hypocrisy regarding IR with black women is something that I’ve called out since that something new movie 10 years ago. We have heard all of this nonsense about black women being loyal to black men and uninterested in white men for years, and it’s just a bunch of lies. If any of that were true then where’s the backlash from black women against IR? You don’t see it because it doesn’t exist. Black people celebrate IR, especially black women when it involves black women. A big reason that you don’t see as much IR involving black men in media as you do black women is because black men as a collective aren’t as moved by it. You don’t see black men living vicariously through other black men involved in IR the way that you see it with black women. You won’t see a black male version of scandal/something new because black women wouldn’t tolerate it and black men wouldn’t automatically flock to it on the strength of the IR dynamic.

Black women's loyalty. Yeah, about that...................

- Up until 1970 census there were more recorded marriages between black women & white men than black men and white women. And these marriages happened during a time when one of the most shameful things a white man could do was marry a black women. Most prominent black females at the time had relations with white men such as Madam CJ Walker, Lena Horne, Pearl Baily, Josephine Baker, Dorothy Dandridge, Lorraine Hansberry, and even "Pro blk" women like Maya Angelo and Alice Walker were married to or involved with white men. Betty Spates, black woman,was the girlfriend/concubine to white klansman racist Loyd Jowers who admitted in the 90s to being apart of a plot to kill Martin Luther King jr. in fact the King family won its case and a judgment against Loyd Jowers in 1999 but Betty Spates with her six oow kids remains silent to this day but black woman love to claim to have been "loyal", right.
https://www.census.gov/population/socdemo/ms-la/tabms-3.txt
(Last three zeros are redacted- Numbers are in the thousands)

- It was a black woman with a white man who first fought tooth and nail all the way to a federal court ruling to legalize interracial marriages the nation-over, by riding the coattails of the civil rights movement that black MEN started with the Loving vs Virginia court case of 1967. So, I can't understand why they would be mad at black men and white women for taking advantages of rights that THEY fought for.
Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia

Up until relatively recently in this country the ball HAS been in black women's court with them having the majority of opportunities to cross romantic racial boundaries via interracial miscegenation and they rolled with it until their wheels fell off and over-saturated themselves and more white women started to open themselves up to black men, and then the tables turned in black men's 'favor'(depending on how you look at it). It is what it is. I'm not saying good or bad for the black community overall, but that black women have no moral superiority over us in this regard.

I remember years ago reading an article about Denzel saying that he purposely abstained from having non black female love interests because of the backlash he would get from white men and black women. Till this day I don’t think that you’ve ever seen Denzel kiss a white woman in one of his movies. The closest he’s really come to having an on-screen relationship with a white woman is the little white girl in that Man on Fire movie.

Meanwhile.

Nia Long Says She Wanted A White Love Interest In “The Best Man Holiday” And It’s No Disrespect To Black Men

Ever heard of a black actor requesting a white female love interest, despite the coupling being marginalized by under represented & misrepresentation in hollywood?

 

[Gravity]

To be fair, we had two give us the ol' college try.



Black women's loyalty. Yeah, about that...................





Meanwhile.

Nia Long Says She Wanted A White Love Interest In “The Best Man Holiday” And It’s No Disrespect To Black Men

Ever heard of a black actor requesting a white female love interest, despite the coupling being marginalized by under represented & misrepresentation in hollywood?

Yea I’ve been making these exact arguments for years. I agree with all you’re saying we just have to make sure that our criticisms are constructive and don’t lead to a “fukk black women” mentality.

 

[Nature's Fury]

didn't read the entire thread, but shows like Orange is The New Black, The L Word, The Wire all had female LGBT characters...when Nicki Minaj dropped she was on the bisexual bandwagon...Azealia Banks hit song was about eating c*nt...Angel Haze was signed to a major deal off of being a lesbian...Young MA was propped up for a full calendar...it's nothing for a female to talk about "i'll take your bytch"...that movie Pariah was hyped up a few years back...there's a lot of black women LGBT representation in the media...

y'all screaming where are the black female LGBT protagonists, as if there's a surplus of black gay male protagonists???

 

[Supper]

didn't read the entire thread, but shows like Orange is The New Black, The L Word, The Wire all had female LGBT characters...when Nicki Minaj dropped she was on the bisexual bandwagon...Azealia Banks hit song was about eating c*nt...Angel Haze was signed to a major deal off of being a lesbian...Young MA was propped up for a full calendar...it's nothing for a female to talk about "i'll take your bytch"...that movie Pariah was hyped up a few years back...there's a lot of black women LGBT representation in the media...

y'all screaming where are the black female LGBT protagonists, as if there's a surplus of black gay male protagonists???

Well, maybe you should go back and read the OP as well, so that you can have a fully understanding of what I said

Where are they to push for non-heterosexual black female protagonist in any major(as in blockbuster for theater) movie or TV production? Because as far as I can tell there are none.

I'm going to assume you misread what I said and aren't just gaslighting for the sake of being contrary. So, if you can find me an example of black female lgbt that satisfies those criteria I would appreciate it. The only one of that list that even comes close to satisfying that criteria is the Pariah movie which came out in 2011, was an independent film, and certainly was not a blockbuster film(was only played in 11 theaters throughout the entire country). And Bessie was a biopic, not an original character. Why have we had no real major black female lgbt protagonist since then.

Why do these black female lgbt activist, not have a problem with this lack of bf lgbt representation, yet want to shame us for not accepting black male lgbt, when it's already over represented in media in comparison to their tiny population?

Within the last two years(less than that actually) we've had two leading protagonist lgbt black male roles one as a feature film(moonlight) and the other as a tv series(Issa Rae's show to premier on HBO), so they are over represented in leading black male roles in comparison to their %2 share of the population.

And if all it takes is a rapper to talk about doing a bunch of homosexual acts or marketing themselves as such is enough to satisfy your "tolerance criteria", then young thug, lil b, and daylyt should serve the same purpose for you.

 

[Remo]

I don't know. I am one woman and I don't watch either. But, to me I would think betrayal - not resentment or distrust. But, I find it weird cause BW and WW relationships in media is almost like they are trying to rewrite or re-tale a disgusting demonic history of which BW were assaulted and raped by WM for hundreds of years in the U.S.

BM and WW relationships (most) had agency --- of agreeing to sex with with eachother. This was not how BW/WM were.

They are trying to rewrite their story in media making them (WM) this good guy when they are far from it.

Dede.....

 

[xoxodede]

Dede.....

What? I think my statement is true. Help me see what's wrong - cause I don't see it...

And I meant "BW and WM relationships in media is almost like..."

 

[Nature's Fury]

Well, maybe you should go back and read the OP as well, so that you can have a fully understanding of what I said





Within the last two years(less than that actually) we've had two leading protagonist lgbt black male roles one as a feature film(moonlight) and the other as a tv series(Issa Rae's show to premier on HBO), so they are over represented in leading black male roles in comparison to their %2 share of the population.

And if all it takes is a rapper to talk about doing a bunch of homosexual acts or marketing themselves as such is enough to satisfy your "tolerance criteria", then young thug, lil b, and daylyt should serve the same purpose for you.

check that movie Pariah...it was up for some awards a few years back...i don't watch enough TV and movies to go on about this, but I've definitely seen black lesbian characters on TV before, protagonist or not...your claim that two (count em TWO) homosexual black male characters in all of TV in movies being "over-representation" is a reach...

and why is your focus solely on movies and TV...like i said Young MA just came off a huge hit that women fukked with (there isn't a gay rapper that's had the success of that track, while speaking explicitly on homosexuality in said track)...Azealia Banks and Nicki came into the game on that bi shyt heavily...and no, "none of those rappers you listed ever came out and said they are attracted to and have sex with men like these females have...

you're making a huge deal out of nothing...

 

[Supper]

check that movie Pariah...it was up for some awards a few years back...i don't watch enough TV and movies to go on about this, but I've definitely seen black lesbian characters on TV before, protagonist or not...your claim that two (count em TWO) homosexual black male characters in all of TV in movies being "over-representation" is a reach...

Again, Pariah was an independent film only shown in 11 theaters throughout the entire country, and came out way back in 2011. Where's the black female lgbt leading protagonist role in any major work of film since then?

Homosexual males make up %2 of the male population, so them have two leading protagonist roles in the last two(less than that actual) years, is over representation unless we've had over 97 black straight male leading roles during the same time period, we both know that isn't the case.

and why is your focus solely on movies and TV...like i said Young MA just came off a huge hit that women fukked with (there isn't a gay rapper that's had the success of that track, while speaking explicitly on homosexuality in said track)...Azealia Banks and Nicki came into the game on that bi shyt heavily...and no, "none of those rappers you listed ever came out and said they are attracted to and have sex with men like these females have...

you're making a huge deal out of nothing...

Tyler the Creator has been 'coming out' as gay or bisexual for years and no-one cared

And frank ocean is more decorated as far as accolades than all of the artist you named combined. You could almost say as of right now the lgbt black male presence in the music industry is over represented as well.