Glaring black female hypocrisy on IR/LGBT representation.
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If you watch reality tv you'll see more representation of lesbian/bisexual Black women than gay/bi Black men.
Love & Hip Hop
Bad Girls Club
RHOA
(K. Michelle's show, Joseline's show)
Ppl are just desensitized to seeing lesbian/bi women.
It's not viewed as problematic.
Just the way double standards go.
Love & Hip Hop
Bad Girls Club
RHOA
(K. Michelle's show, Joseline's show)
Ppl are just desensitized to seeing lesbian/bi women.
It's not viewed as problematic.
Just the way double standards go.
As stated before I'm speaking of original characters as protagonist in major movie and tv productions, not reality tv.
If black women insist on shaming & condemning black men for 'homophobia' about lgbt representation as protagonist in major tv & movie productions, then they first need to look in their own backyard and do something about the serious lack of black female lgbt roles as leading protagonist in major tv/movie productions and at the same time stop pushing to create, support, and celebrate black female heterosexual interracial roles with white males, while at the same time claiming to be against white supremacist & patriarchal hegemony.
And they also need focus on their addressing their own bigotry towards hetero IRBM, which are far under represented in hollywood as it is.
Black women really have a lot to fix up in their own house before they start tossing accusations of 'homophobia' our way, because of some criticism surrounding an upcoming tv show. Because unlike them, we haven't so far as to boycott any black movie.
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Maybe this is due to there being more gay/bi Black men behind the movies?
Representation with Black folks has never been 'fair'.
I understand you're saying major tv & movie productions, but I always see Black lesbian/bi women characters in stuff.
We all know it's more shocking and more of a big deal and more controversial with gay men vs lesbians.
Lesbianism is considered 'safe' and can be 'boring'.
Whenever anything gay is mentioned, it's about gay men or bi men and it's always negative and usually generates traffic.
Lesbianism, some people don't even consider this 'sex' when it is or even a real thing.
I've seen so much lesbianism in rap videos in the early 2000s to now, it's really something I don't pay attention as 'provocative'.
this thread gets made every month and some shape or form. And why paint black women are doing this when movies like milk was being pushed in the early 10's. Y'all like tostay mad for no reason and complain about women that look like your mothers 24/7
The upcoming tv show that sparked this whole discussion was created from the ground up by a black woman.
Then, lets please keep the discussion focused on there as was intended in the OP. Otherwise feel free to make your own thread about reality tv shows and the music industry.
My issue is black women's hypocrisy in how they selectively create, endorse, and celebrate certain types of lgbt roles & hetero IR roles in major movie/tv productions- That being black male lgbt & black female heterosexual interracial roles with white males, while at the same time claim to be against white supremacy and patriarchal hegemony. Their actions seem more like that of a group that simply wants to step on black men's toes to get a seat next to white male patriarchal supremacy.
And not only that, but they take it a step further and want to shame and denigrate us for the criticism surrounding a tv show, we we aren't the ones who go around calling for the boycott of black films we don't like, unlike them.
Black women have no business lecturing us about diversity in hollywood, a flawed sociological theory like intersectionalism, 'homophobia', or tolerance.
Please do show me a thread on here premised even remotely like this one. If this is a re post you should take it up with the mods and see.
Ground breaking black female director role in hollywood promotes the further over-representation of a black female protagonist with a white MALE love interest.
DuVernay's next film, A Wrinkle in Time, reportedly has a budget exceeding $100 million, making DuVernay the first black woman to direct a live-action film with a budget of that size.
Gee, I wonder why she isn't using this huge opportunity to push for more black female lgbt representation, as much as black women love to shame black men about that non-issue(lgbt rep). I bet if the main character were a black male she'd opt for the lgbt role, though. DEFINITELY not the hetero IRBM role for a kids movie like this. That would upset a lot of people from two certain highly sensitive and hypocritical groups{BW & WM}.
And please save the "yo mamma black" monkey wrench approach as a cheap attempt at stifling any and all criticism of black women, as if they should be beyond reproach.
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Ground breaking black female director role in hollywood promotes the further over-representation of a black female protagonist with a white MALE love interest.
Gee, I wonder why she isn't using this huge opportunity to push for more black female lgbt representation, as much as black women love to shame black men about that non-issue(lgbt rep). I bet if the main character were a black male she'd opt for the lgbt role, though. DEFINITELY not the hetero IRBM role for a kids movie like this.
Hmm, I thought, this thread isn’t supposed to be based on assumptions? Ava DuVernay also directed “I Will Follow”, which features a BM/WW relationship and she currently directs “Queen Sugar”, which featured a black lesbian relationship between Chantal and Nova. Like I said, most black women that explore IR in films don’t just focus on black women and non-black men AND she explored black lesbianism, so you’re wrong again. Like another poster said, you just want to complain and push the blame on black women. Go watch “The Mountain Between Us” and calm down.
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Hmm, I thought, this thread isn’t supposed to be based on assumptions?
Where did I say that? I never presented my assumption to be a fact, because I obviously don't know for sure what another person would do in any particular situation. It was simply an inference. But, my assumption hasn't been proven wrong based on your response, although of course it could be. But, I wouldn't count on it.
'I will follow' stars a black female in a BM/BW relationship based on the trailer, saying that BW/WW are somewhere in the movie would be me talking about the BW/WM dancers in the hall in the 'Beauty in the Beast' movie.
The the primary love interest of the main character Nova, in 'Queen Sugar', is a married white male cop, and is only alluded to being bi in a couple of short lived brief interactions with her friend according to the summary. Sounds more like another 'Scandal' to me.
And neither of those films are in ground breaking in terms of production value for a black female director like 'A Wrinkle in Time' is. It's funny that she would use this huge opportunity chose that the type of coupling for a black female leading protagonist, further reinforcing what I've stated here.
I don't see how it's not legit for me to criticize black women for their obvious selective creation, endorsement, and celebration of certain types of lgbt and hetero IR roles. Especially when black women are the ones who opened the door for this discussion to take place when they started shaming and decrying black men as 'homophobes' and bigots for the criticism surrounding an upcoming tv show, when we aren't the ones calling for a boycott of any of these films, unlike they've done. They need to focus on addressing their own racism against hetero IRBM and hypocrisy before tossing accusations our way.
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You did just that when I inferred that if there was a show or movie made featuring black lesbiansm like moonlight did for black males, I’m sure black women as a whole wouldn’t boycott like black men did. I never presented my assumption as fact either, yet you jumped on me with that “with all due respect, I’m not interested in your assumption” BS, don't be a hypocrite.
My mistake, she looked like a white woman on the film poster, but she is a mixed non-black woman, so my point still stands.
As for Nova, the “brief interactions” are intimate scenes with the two characters. Just because Nova is married to a white man, it doesn’t erase the scenes that explores the sexuality of black lesbians.
There’s black lesbianism in the show regardless, which you said black females behind film don’t display. You’re just trying to move the goal post, so ultimately, yes, I proved your assumptions wrong. Oh, and black women didn’t boycott “Queen Sugar” because of those intimate scenes between Chantal and Nova, so I guess my assumption was right.
It doesn’t matter whether or not the films are ground-breaking or not, the point is that Ava explores IR relationships between black people of both genders and their non-black partners AND black lesbianism, which is what you said black women behind the scenes don’t display in their films/tv shows. She casted a black female and white male and in the future, she may cast a black male with a non-black woman like she did before (this is an inference just to clarify). It’s not like she only cast black women in IR.
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You're taking that quote completely out of context. I said that in response to you giving me your assumption about how black women would react to a leading black female lgbt protagonist as an answer to a specific question I asked you about what were black women doing to get leading black female lgbt protagonist roles in a major film, which is a red herring.
I never said this thread wasn't based on assumptions. That's a strawman. I just wanted you to stop evading the very specific question I presented with that assumption you were using as a red herring to the question I asked.
No, she's not, and no, it doesn't. Her mother is black and she identifies as a black women, so who are you to assert otherwise?
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Again, when you do that it's all the more reason why ya'll have no business shaming and chastising us for supposedly being homophobic, denying lgbt black men their black manhood, or 'excluding' them, when ya'll show time and time again you're perfectly fine doing the exact same thing using the exact same line of ignorant & bigoted reasoning to exclude light skinned/mixed heritage black women or deny their identity. Ya'll need to spend more time addressing your own racism, colorism, and bigotry, instead of going around saying that we the ones who're insecure and throwing all of these wild accusations about 'homophobia' our way.
Yep, and her primary love interest is a white male, thus is would certainly be categorized as hetero IRBW role than a black female lgbt role. But, okay sure there's some black lesbo scenes in it. And I never said that black women should boycott a movie with black female lgbt leading protagonist role, let along one with a few lesbo scenes in it. I said that they boycotted Red Tails which was a IRBM movie. Which they did, something black men have yet to do.
Ava explores IR relationships between black people of both genders and their non-black partners
Not as of yet, from what you've showed me. Unless there some other hetero IRBM that she's directed that I don't know about. So far she's only done leading hetero IRBW roles which is already far over represented in hollywood. And I never said that black women wont show black lesbo scenes in their movies, I was questioning you on where they were to get leading black female lgbt protagonist roles in any major tv or movie production. Yet another strawman on your part.
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