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Superstar
How old are you?
Gil: “MJ was a Bugatti in an era of Honda Civics”
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I only ask because your arguments are about the level of a 3rd grader (your lack of self-awareness where you constantly contradict yourself and make up bullshyt is that of an age even younger).
The hilariousness of you saying we can only judge players according to their respective eras and not anything else, and therefore can't prove anything factually by comparing eras and players alike, aside. Using rings and Finals appearances in that manner is such a reductive way of arguing who's the best. If we were to use that scale then Bill Russell is the greatest, which we all know you don't believe because it would undermine every single thing you believe about MJ and the 90s.
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Superstar
Don’t ever ask someone a question that you don’t feel comfortable answering yourself.
The most effective communication is to keep what you are trying to convey simple and easy to understand.
I have no problem with anyone that says Bill Russell is the greatest. He is the greatest winner and possibly the greatest defender of all time but he lacks the offensive impact to be the overall goat. MJ ticks more boxes than him.
Only a bot version of a MJ stan would be this predictable.
You initially said the "only" thing we can judge players off is what they've accomplished in their respective eras, hence why rings and Finals appearances are always the be-all and end-all for y'all, because you can use that as a 'fact' to say MJ is better than x-player, except, of course, when it's someone who won more than MJ and comprehensively was more accomplished during their era, then the criteria changes to this unspecified box ticking, and the exact number of championships becomes less important.
But it's all back to regular programming for someone like Jokic who has less rings than Bird, and in order for him to surpass Bird on an all-time list he needs to get more championships.
Y'all MJ stans are only fooling yourselves.
JesusFOREVER
Superstar
No real violence allows people to talk crazy, you don’t see this football or baseball or hockey because there’s an actual chance you can die playing those sports so it would be extremely disrespectful to disregard the players of the past who had way less protection than you did and paved the way
That’s not the case in basketball, it’s extremely soft, safe and anyone can play it, your skill can’t be hindered by life altering forces so your ego grows, let them add tacking to the NBA and this will stop I guarantee it
MJ and Kareem are the GOATs in my opinion.
Kareem went to 10 NBA Finals and just like Jordan he has 6 NBA Championships. Kareem has 6 MVPs to Jordan's 5. Kareem was on 11 all defensive teams to Jordan's 9. The defensive player of the year award was not created until 83 but by then Kareem was in his late 30s and clearly on the decline. Kareem probably has the most storied amatuer athletic career of all time from being a phenom at Powers Memorial High School in New York to winning 3 national titles and 3 player of the year awards in college in 3 years. Kareem boycotted the 1968 Olympic games to protest the unequal treatment Black were receiving in the USA and because of the assassination of Dr. King. To be honest I can't put Jordan over Kareem and I definitely can't put the likes of LeBron and Kobe over Kareem.
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Superstar
The shortest distance between 2 points is a straight line. You a try hard breh.
Only a bot version of a MJ stan would be this predictable.
You initially said the "only" thing we can judge players off is what they've accomplished in their respective eras, hence why rings and Finals appearances are always the be-all and end-all for y'all, because you can use that as a 'fact' to say MJ is better than x-player, except, of course, when it's someone who won more than MJ and comprehensively was more accomplished during their era, then the criteria changes to this unspecified box ticking, and the exact number of championships becomes less important.
But it's all back to regular programming for someone like Jokic who has less rings than Bird, and in order for him to surpass Bird on an all-time list he needs to get more championships.
Y'all MJ stans are only fooling yourselves.
I said MJ ticks more boxes as in greater legacy. I never said anything about better player. Better is for players that compete directly against each other while greater is weighing players overall legacy/impact/influence/competitiveness/dominance.
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I still think MJ is the goat NBA player but no player in history can match Kareem in terms of complete basketball legacy starting from high school, college and the NBA.
FukkaPaidEmail
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Gil was literally defending Jordan for 30 minutes when he made this comment .
When nikkas was mentioning Jordan didn’t have counters like Kobe he was saying they 1.Nobody was stopping his first move (like Gil) and 2. He was more physically gifted than the 2’s guarding him.
That’s not a hot take
This thread misleading
When nikkas was mentioning Jordan didn’t have counters like Kobe he was saying they 1.Nobody was stopping his first move (like Gil) and 2. He was more physically gifted than the 2’s guarding him.
That’s not a hot take
This thread misleading
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Yup, their stats are damn near identical too
Damn, I didn't realize they were that close statwise.
No, I based it off of the fact that Jokic plays like Bird. Even his shooting form and the way he dribbles resembles Bird's.
Let @Gil Scott-Heroin tell it and Jordan couldn’t go left at all tho until later in career. Posts one clip from 91 to show everyone. But this is from before that. Someone else posted dunk on ewing too.
Then I see him trashing others. He’s pretty selective on what and who he goes at.
Wonder where he ranks jordan. 2nd all time or ?
you don't understand. I saw a video of him only dribbling left once in ONE GAME, therefore he can't dribble left
FukkaPaidEmail
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Gil wasn’t shytting on Jordan’s era . He was just saying was on a different planet athletically at the 2 and didn’t need 5 counters to get off
Gil did say the same about himself .. No reason to have a counter if he could get off with his initial move that nikkas couldn’t stop
He did shyt on the current ERA ..”how many moves you need to get off against Austin Reeves’ and mentioned that guys like Bron, Russ and Fox don’t need counters to get off
This wasn’t one of those wild Gilbert retarded statements like this thread assumed
Nxgga, I bet you weren't even old enough to digest what you were watching when MJ was actually playing, and yet here you are 20 years after the fact, defending a figment of your imagination on some overcompensating shyt, due to whatever mental hangup(s) I do not even care to know, and I'm the try hard here?
You're literally incapable of posting about anything else but MJ, and anything and everything that indirectly concerns him. You do not care about hoops, in any fashion. You're just here to hold onto whatever lie your childhood was, or probably in this case, what it wasn't.
Bu-bu-but I said ticks more boxes as in greater legacy; bu-bu-but I never said anything about better player.
You don't even know what the fukk you're saying at this point.
It's painfully obvious you're not in this to have any legitimate discussion on the matter.
Care to explain how that video posted reflects anything to the contrary of him being good going left?you don't understand. I saw a video of him only dribbling left once in ONE GAME, therefore he can't dribble left
Most of the sequences shown in that video are of him not making shots and/or dribbling himself into trouble.
It's not just the one clip I posted, the game was demonstrative of how much he favored his right hand to create because he wasn't as good with his left (again, this was a sign of the times). The play of him against Divac just emphasized how he should've used his left, but didn't because he felt he wasn't capable in the position he was in. The times that he did/could use his left-hand dribble are when he's using his shoulder to roll off a post-up, or straight off the catch when someone is directly underneath him (as per Ewing dunk), where he can use a first step to straight away get seperation. But actually using his left-hand dribble to break down a defender who's given him space or against set defenders who he needs to navigate around, he wasn't that good.
It's okay to acknowledge something like this, the world isn't going to end for y'all stans just because you do.