Gil: “MJ was a Bugatti in an era of Honda Civics”

[god shamgod]

Nxgga, I bet you weren't even old enough to digest what you were watching when MJ was actually playing, and yet here you are 20 years after the fact, defending a figment of your imagination on some overcompensating shyt, due to whatever mental hangup(s) I do not even care to know, and I'm the try hard here?



You're literally incapable of posting about anything else but MJ, and anything and everything that indirectly concerns him. You do not care about hoops, in any fashion. You're just here to hold onto whatever lie your childhood was, or probably in this case, what it wasn't.

Bu-bu-but I said ticks more boxes as in greater legacy; bu-bu-but I never said anything about better player.

You don't even know what the fukk you're saying at this point.

It's painfully obvious you're not in this to have any legitimate discussion on the matter.

You weren’t either

You’re one of those “I’m gonna check the mj mythology” cats but you were a shorty then so why does your opinion matter anymore than his? You wasn’t old enough to watch jordan either so why are you passionate about shyt you never saw in real time?

I’m from chicago born n raised , STILL watch these wakk mf’s today.bulls games use to come on wgn/channel 9 or sportsvision/sportschannel then eventually fox sports net(when jordan played)Your knowledge is no different than his unless you’re 40+. You wasn’t watching 100’s of jordan games unless you lived in Chicago as a bulls fan during mikes career

 

[fifth column]

Nxgga, I bet you weren't even old enough to digest what you were watching when MJ was actually playing, and yet here you are 20 years after the fact, defending a figment of your imagination on some overcompensating shyt, due to whatever mental hangup(s) I do not even care to know, and I'm the try hard here?



You're literally incapable of posting about anything else but MJ, and anything and everything that indirectly concerns him. You do not care about hoops, in any fashion. You're just here to hold onto whatever lie your childhood was, or probably in this case, what it wasn't.

Bu-bu-but I said ticks more boxes as in greater legacy; bu-bu-but I never said anything about better player.

You don't even know what the fukk you're saying at this point.

It's painfully obvious you're not in this to have any legitimate discussion on the matter.

Why are you dead set on having a bish behavior type argument with me? Stop worrying about my age and what you think that I like posting about, you a weird nikka.

This thread is about MJ so I’m discussing that.

 

[fifth column]

You weren’t either

You’re one of those “I’m gonna check the mj mythology” cats but you were a shorty then so why does your opinion matter anymore than his? You wasn’t old enough to watch jordan either so why are you passionate about shyt you never saw in real time?

I’m from chicago born n raised , STILL watch these wakk mf’s today.bulls games use to come on wgn/channel 9 or sportsvision/sportschannel then eventually fox sports net(when jordan played)Your knowledge is no different than his unless you’re 40+. You wasn’t watching 100’s of jordan games unless you lived in Chicago as a bulls fan during mikes career

That nikka mad but don’t know what to be mad at MJ about. Point out any MJ stats/accolade and dude will just start losing his shyt.

 

[Ozymandeas]

My nikka THAT’S THE MYTHOLOGY

MJ & The Bulls story is The American Dream

Start from the bottom & improve yourself plus team as a whole. If it’s meant to be eventually you get to the mountain top.

Bron stans get burned everytime they bring up The Pistons because Jordan had the fortitude to keep it pushing and their man decided he couldn’t get it done and left for an ideal situation

If The Pistons suddenly got old wouldn’t The Celtics have gotten old no differently?

If Jordan & The Bulls were so overwhelmingly talented why wasn’t it a forgone conclusion they’d eventually win?

“Air Jordan & The Jordanaires” they said

I always say this. LeBron is so irritating to talk about. Takes the easy way out every time but, wants to be respected like he got it from the mud.

As you said, the Celtics would have gotten old. They were all in their 30s. Even if they beat LeBron in 2008 and 2010, they were not gonna hold him from 2011 to 2020. They would've been washed and flabby by 2012 at the latest. LeBron would've had 7-8 years getting to the Finals. He could've easily won half of those Finals. So you're talking 3-4 rings in Cleveland without having to create Superteams. He would've been way more respected than he is now and he'd still be able to compare to Jordan despite having less rings because he went against Golden State, beat Boston, went to 8 Finals in a row, etc.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You weren’t either

You’re one of those “I’m gonna check the mj mythology” cats but you were a shorty then so why does your opinion matter anymore than his? You wasn’t old enough to watch jordan either so why are you passionate about shyt you never saw in real time?

I'm a 90s kid, so yes, I watched him in real time.

MJ had the most profound impact on my life, more than any sports/celebrity figure ever will.

The difference here is, my understanding of the game and memory of how things played out back then is different to my understanding now and what actually happened vs. how I remember things happening. The difference is, I can acknowledge that. The difference is, I can see that a lot my memories and the image of what I built up MJ to be is exaggerated, and not directly reflective of what is (again, this isn't just concerning MJ, but sports, in general). The difference is, I've watched countless hours of tape from that time (and before that) since, so I can properly understand what it is that happened, and not go off some memories clouded by confirmation bias and idolatry, which anybody who overrates that time suffers from.

It's why you have so many cats like yourself who don't really understand what it is you're watching today (or refuse to acknowledge), because you're comparing it to a time that only existed in your minds, and not in reality.

No clearer example of this when y'all say MJ would've averaged 45-50 in today's game, despite the fact it goes against any sort of sound logic. Y'all are going off a depiction rather than the actual player; y'all are going off a fantasy rather than what actually is practical.

Why are you dead set on having a bish behavior type argument with me? Stop worrying about my age and what you think that I like posting about, you a weird nikka.

This thread is about MJ so I’m discussing that.

I'm pointing out that you're not arguing from a honest place. You're just here to post about MJ, which is your prerogative, but don't pretend like you're some objective arbiter speaking on the matter. It's why you blatantly lie with statements like "the NBA has trended down in viewership since the 90s", and then when that lie is exposed, you have no self-awareness to check yourself, you just move onto regurgitating the next lie.

You're a stan and nothing more. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll realize that whatever you post from that position is bullshyt.

 

[Shadow King]

Gil and too many ignorant athletes have podcast spewing bullshyt.

Gil with his talent was an underachiever and we all know why.

shyt if Gil was in the 80s he may have been one of those talented players who ain't amount to anything cuz of a cocaine addiction

This is absolutely and comically false and based on you seeing where Gil peaked and not where he started.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

MJ the only player I seen where his detractors argue that the game and talent pool evolves for every era/generation except his own. every decade the players and talent got better but suddenly stopped at the time when he was winning and then started back up again after he retired.

I dont get this argument at all.

It’s actually the opposite.

Jordan Stans dismiss Bill Russell having almost twice the rings of Jordan because of the level of competition argument.

But they turn around and say the level of competition hasn’t gotten better in the 25-30 years since Jordan retired, despite the fact jordan played in an expansion era and only won chips once Bird and Magic retired.

 

[aceboon]

I dont get this argument at all.

It’s actually the opposite.

Jordan Stans dismiss Bill Russell having almost twice the rings of Jordan because of the level of competition argument.

But they turn around and say the level of competition hasn’t gotten better in the 25-30 years since Jordan retired, despite the fact jordan played in an expansion era and only won chips once Bird and Magic retired.

No it's actually just as I stated and I'm not hearing any argument otherwise, there are literally nikkas posting the scenario exactly as I stated, including the post I quoted. I literally said his "detractors" so why are you responding about what his stans say, stop wasting my time with bullshyt.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

No it's actually just as I stated and I'm not hearing any argument otherwise, there are literally nikkas posting the scenario exactly as I stated, including the post I quoted. Stop wasting my time with bullshyt.

Nothing post.

Do Jordan stans put him over bill Russell despite the latter having 11 rings, because of a level of competition argument or not?

 

[god shamgod]

I'm a 90s kid, so yes, I watched him in real time.

MJ had the most profound impact on my life, more than any sports/celebrity figure ever will.

The difference here is, my understanding of the game and memory of how things played out back then is different to my understanding now and what actually happened vs. how I remember things happening. The difference is, I can acknowledge that. The difference is, I can see that a lot my memories and the image of what I built up MJ to be is exaggerated, and not directly reflective of what is (again, this isn't just concerning MJ, but sports, in general). The difference is, I've watched countless hours of tape from that time (and before that) since, so I can properly understand what it is that happened, and not go off some memories clouded by confirmation bias and idolatry, which anybody who overrates that time suffers from.

It's why you have so many cats like yourself who don't really understand what it is you're watching today (or refuse to acknowledge), because you're comparing it to a time that only existed in your minds, and not in reality.

No clearer example of this when y'all say MJ would've averaged 45-50 in today's game, despite the fact it goes against any sort of sound logic. Y'all are going off a depiction rather than the actual player; y'all are going off a fantasy rather than what actually is practical.

I'm pointing out that you're not arguing from a honest place. You're just here to post about MJ, which is your prerogative, but don't pretend like you're some objective arbiter speaking on the matter. It's why you blatantly lie with statements like "the NBA has trended down in viewership since the 90s", and then when that lie is exposed, you have no self-awareness to check yourself, you just move onto regurgitating the next lie.

You're a stan and nothing more. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll realize that whatever you post from that position is bullshyt.

“90’s kid”, that’s relative af cuz technically I was a kid back then too but I was old enough to witness it & lived in the same city jordan played in so I saw all the games live. I seriously doubt you did too cuz this was the pre internet/YouTube/hoh Days

You’re tryin to destroy narratives YOU believed. It ain’t changing nothing he did.Jordan top 5 all time in scoring,highest career ppg,highest playoff ppg,highest finals ppg ,highest scoring playoff game,won 6 championships and never lost in the finals. Y’all ain’t gonna sit here & lie like this dude couldn’t shoot,go left & his defense was overrated or whatever anti 90’s narratives social media creates.there’s literal proof he was that dominant & nobody else did this

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You’re tryin to destroy narratives YOU believed.

No, I'm destroying narratives YOU believe.

Y’all ain’t gonna sit here & lie like this dude couldn’t go left

And he couldn't, certainly not to the degree that you and others make it seem. If you watch the tape without any sort of bias, you can see this.

Again, this was more a byproduct of the time than anything specifically about MJ. His greatest peers during that time weren't proficient going left either. Magic's [almost] entire existence as a player was being right-hand dominant; Clyde knew nothing else but using his right hand.

his defense was overrated

Except for the fact we have a factual account that his defense was overrated, that you nor anyone else can contest, when he was getting fake defensive stats which were the reason behind why he won DPOY (and subsequently all his All-Defensive selections). So yeah, you cotdamn right his defense was overrated.

It's arguably the single-most overrated aspect of a player in modern NBA history. There were greater defenders during his era that didn't get half the recognition because the media was swept up in the lore of MJ.

Y'all wanna pretend like he was some lockdown defender when he couldn't stay in front of your above-average guard. Y'all wanna pretend like he was some all-around great defensive player, when he only really thrived as a gambler (and even that had its drawbacks) and in certain help situations. Y'all wanna pretend like he had this long, extensive run as a highly impactful defender, despite the fact his role and energy diminished on that end the more he took on a greater offensive load.

Phil has made no secret that he didn't want MJ using his tank on defense during the second three-peat.

 

[fifth column]

I'm a 90s kid, so yes, I watched him in real time.

MJ had the most profound impact on my life, more than any sports/celebrity figure ever will.

The difference here is, my understanding of the game and memory of how things played out back then is different to my understanding now and what actually happened vs. how I remember things happening. The difference is, I can acknowledge that. The difference is, I can see that a lot my memories and the image of what I built up MJ to be is exaggerated, and not directly reflective of what is (again, this isn't just concerning MJ, but sports, in general). The difference is, I've watched countless hours of tape from that time (and before that) since, so I can properly understand what it is that happened, and not go off some memories clouded by confirmation bias and idolatry, which anybody who overrates that time suffers from.

It's why you have so many cats like yourself who don't really understand what it is you're watching today (or refuse to acknowledge), because you're comparing it to a time that only existed in your minds, and not in reality.

No clearer example of this when y'all say MJ would've averaged 45-50 in today's game, despite the fact it goes against any sort of sound logic. Y'all are going off a depiction rather than the actual player; y'all are going off a fantasy rather than what actually is practical.

I'm pointing out that you're not arguing from a honest place. You're just here to post about MJ, which is your prerogative, but don't pretend like you're some objective arbiter speaking on the matter. It's why you blatantly lie with statements like "the NBA has trended down in viewership since the 90s", and then when that lie is exposed, you have no self-awareness to check yourself, you just move onto regurgitating the next lie.

You're a stan and nothing more. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll realize that whatever you post from that position is bullshyt.

Let’s put the speculation and what ifs aside. What is exaggerated about MJ in the era that he played that you watched?

You are free to assume whatever you want about me, that’s your fight

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Let’s put the speculation and what ifs aside. What is exaggerated about MJ in the era that he played that you watched?

- his defense, in nearly every way
- the quality of his overall play (but this is really applicable to every past great, where their best iterations are romanticized)
- the conditions of how he accumulated his stats during his box score peaks
- the level of competition he played against
- the level of defensive schemes he played against
- the rules that he played under.

That's basically it, in a nutshell.

 

[fifth column]

- his defense, in nearly every way
- the quality of his overall play (but this is really applicable to every past great, where their best iterations are romanticized)
- the conditions of how he accumulated his stats during his box score peaks
- the level of competition he played against
- the level of defensive schemes he played against
- the rules that he played under.

That's basically it, in a nutshell.

So you are basically saying that MJ dominated his era to the point that everyone else in that era seemed pedestrian to you.

The question is how is that MJ’s fault?

Box score stats aside, How does MJ’s advance stats look?

 

[Osmosis]

I dont get this argument at all.

It’s actually the opposite.

Jordan Stans dismiss Bill Russell having almost twice the rings of Jordan because of the level of competition argument.

But they turn around and say the level of competition hasn’t gotten better in the 25-30 years since Jordan retired, despite the fact jordan played in an expansion era and only won chips once Bird and Magic retired.

Plus, we have plenty of data that illustrates how the 90s were a uniquely weak decade in NBA history. The effects of rampant expansion on the quality of the league is well documented at this point. shyt, we can see that it was acknowledged in real-time through anecdotal accounts from players, coaches, legends, pundits, fans, etc.

Flabheads with their heads stuck in the sand gotta wake up now.