Giannis Antetokounmpo should now be in the lead for MVP. 🦌

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The value of the playoffs (to him) won't change regardless if he wins MVP or not. You just conjured up this silly ass talking point.

Ask the media why he's entitled? I'm asking you why you think he's entitled?

If you don't think he cares either way, why call him entitled then? You're just arguing for the sake of at this point.

I can promise you the MVP will be the footnote during the postseason. There'll be an infinite amount of narratives that'll be talked about instead.
When I say “means everything to him” I am referencing the sports media/ nba fans narrative not Jokic himself. I don’t think he participates in these things. None of this personally interest me really but this stuff is being talked about out there.
 

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When I say “means everything to him” I am referencing the sports media/ nba fans narrative not Jokic himself. I don’t think he participates in these things. None of this personally interest me really but this stuff is being talked about out there.
Here's the thing though, the media isn't forming like Voltron to hand Jokic anything like y'all think they are.

This was the first straw poll for MVP near the end of December -

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Only one person out of 100 NBA writers thought he was the MVP. 1 out of a 100.

The media is fickle, and have absolutely no alliances to anyone, much less to one of the least popular stars, playing in irrelevant ass Denver. In fact, Jokic was a footnote in each of the last three seasons for MVP over the first couple of months. It was only in the second half of each season did his campaign start gaining traction.
 

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Here's the thing though, the media isn't forming like Voltron to hand Jokic anything like y'all think they are.

This was the first straw poll for MVP near the end of December -

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Only one person out of 100 NBA writers thought he was the MVP. 1 out of a 100.

The media is fickle, and have absolutely no alliances to anyone, much less to one of the least popular stars, playing in irrelevant ass Denver. In fact, Jokic was a footnote in each of the last three seasons for MVP over the first couple of months. It was only in the second half of each season did his campaign start gaining traction.
Losing traction recently unless they don’t want him to which I suspect.
 

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all facts...best player in nba and it isnt that close

also I respect this even more coming from a bulls fan...salute from the 414 baby
 

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The Bucks have a 11-6 record without him and he was horribly inconsistent over the first third of the season. I don't care for this "league's best player" shyt when he hasn't been a better performer than Embiid and Jokic this season.

As I said above, at the end of the day, nobody is going to give a fukk about this when the playoffs come around. It's why the entire discourse around it this season has been hilarious. Folks with their fake outrage about some shyt they'll toss aside after they get bored of that new toy.
How was Giannis horribly inconsistent?
 

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How was Giannis horribly inconsistent?

He’s the only player that’s been top 3 in both of the straw polls that have come out…was a close 2nd place during the first third of the season, and 2nd again once Jokic jumped to the head of the race….literally the only player that’s been “in the conversation” the entire season…been averaging some variation of 30ish points 12rbs and 5ast with all nba first team defense all year, but he was “horribly inconsistent” because he wasn’t also at career best shooting efficiency on top of that :mjlol:

But then he has the nerve to talk about people having “agendas”
 
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Answer a question for me. Do you think he would be in the conversation for 3 straight mvps if he was black? :jbhmm:

Keep in mind, most these voters are bill simmons esque cacs that hopped off giannis as soon as a more attractive option became available.

They know good and goddamn WELL he wouldn’t and any argument to the contrary is just white worship. Plain and simple
 

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All agendas and fandom aside, it hit me last last night just how wild it is to be witnessing this period of 3 legit bigs absolutely dominating the league with mutlifaceted games.

Bam, Porzingis, and Myles Turner are also ultra-skilled and they're mostly afterthoughts. BroLo paired with Giannis is such a cheat code. I just can't seethe Bucks losing a 7 game series with those two, Jrue, and their supporting cast.
 

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How was Giannis horribly inconsistent?
Giannis over the first third of the season -

Shooting 25% on all shots (besides at the rim)
54 eFG% - lowest since 2017 (to put into perspective Jokic has a 66 eFG%)
58 TS% - lowest since 2016 (to put into perspective Jokic has a 70 TS%)
65 FT% - second-lowest of his career
40 percentile for halfcourt scoring.


Efficiency matters, and Giannis has been anything but efficient.

He's only averaging 32 points purely because of how many shots he's putting up.

A lot of that had to do with the extra defensive attention he's been getting without Middleton, and that affected his play. He simply struggled to generate consistent offense in the halfcourt on the regular - I've made note of this many a time this season. Embiid and Jokic have both been definitively more consistent, like it's not even remotely close. Giannis has been great over the last 10 or so games, but his season has to be weighed in its entirety.
Is that not "horribly inconsistent" to you?

Anyone that watched Giannis over that period, on the regular (not dikk sucking fakkits like @Long Live The Kane who don't even watch games), would be able to tell you the same damn thing, that he struggled to be consistent. Paling in comparison to Jokic and Embiid.
 

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He’s the only player that’s been top 3 in both of the straw polls that have come out…was a close 2nd place during the first third of the season, and 2nd again once Jokic jumped to the head of the race….literally the only player that’s been “in the conversation” the entire season…
Do you want to tell me what straw polls have to do with reality?

See, this is the problem that a lot of y'all have.

MVP is a narrative-based award (as if isn't reiterated enough), so the media is going to run with whatever is hot at the moment, or whoever's story gains the most traction at any given time. Giannis being in the conversation for the media doesn't mean he's been good enough to be in the conversation, in reality. Jokic was a better performer than him during that initial period, yet only one person out of 100 NBA writers thought he was the MVP, which contrary to Coli belief, was largely down to voter fatigue where they wanted to find reasons (at the time) to award someone else - it was the reason why Tatum was the overwhelming frontrunner.

Jokic then forced his way to the top of that conversation, not because he suddenly played comprehensively better, but because the media started paying more attention to that narrative.
been averaging some variation of 30ish points 12rbs and 5ast with all nba first team defense all year, but he was “horribly inconsistent” because he wasn’t also at career best shooting efficiency on top of that :mjlol:
This is why I can tell you don't watch Bucks games like that. Mindlessly referencing box score numbers with absolutely no context attached.

Averaging points on below league-average efficiency* - scoring points purely on volume
Only 32% of his rebounds have been contested, which if you compare that to players who lead the league in contested rebounding:

AD - 7 per game (56% contested rebound rate)
Adams - 6.3 per game (55% contested rebound rate)
Capela - 5.7 per game (51% contested rebound rate)
Robinson - 5.6 per game (62% contested rebound rate)
Jokic - 5.4 per game (47% contested rebound rate).


His rebounding has NOT been as impactful as the raw numbers suggest this season, in similar fashion to Westbrook over recent years. I've already made note of his defense to you and how wildly overrated you've made it out to be, so we don't need to keep going over and over that despite your desperate attempts of speaking it into reality.
But then he has the nerve to talk about people having “agendas”
Only agenda I have is to speak on what's actually happening.

Don't take my word for it, there were posters on this board speaking about Giannis' struggles earlier in the season too. I wasn't the only one. I wasn't just conjuring this shyt up straight out of thin air.
 

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Is that not "horribly inconsistent" to you?

Anyone that watched Giannis over that period, on the regular (not dikk sucking fakkits like @Long Live The Kane who don't even watch games), would be able to tell you the same damn thing, that he struggled to be consistent. Paling in comparison to Jokic and Embiid.

They're like 40-13 when he plays 32/12/6

He's a candidate
 
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