Are you basically saying in terms of both long term health and body building that you believe there is no real difference between, say, a baconnator from wendys with fries and a frostie and organic chicken breasts with brown rice, broccoli and a strawberry Greek yogurt with almonds?
No sarcasm. Just never saw people look down on what is considered healthy eating before.
You added the words "long term health" and "bodybuilding." I was not speaking on long term health at all, and I shied away from the bodybuilding aspect (bulking) because of complex physiology that would take a novel to examine and quite frankly no one has it all figured out.
My whole post was referring to energy equivalent carbohydrate sources and their effects on weight loss, so I'm not sure why you would make the jump to your question. The example you provided is quite different, the 2 sources of food you posted have completely different macronutrient compositions, not to mention probably very different calorie content.
Also, I was simply explaining why people would have a problem with the term clean eating. The reality is, most people do not have control over their caloric intake, so telling them to eat "clean" is actually the best way to attack dieting because it is the easiest way to
accidentally restrict calories, mainly through the satiating effect of protein and fiber and keeping hunger-causing insulin spikes from occuring. I can tell you from bother personal experience and mountains of anecdotal and scientific evidence that getting people to accurately count their calories is like pulling teeth. People fail miserably at it. For these types, "clean" eating is more of a guideline for eating protein and fiber rich foods and heart-healthy fats. This is the trick of nearly every diet that is being sold as the
answer to weight loss. They fool you into eating a calorie defecit. It is also their
failure....its like giving a hungry man a fish instead of giving him a fishing pole and teaching him how to catch his own
Here is a great study that examines carbohydrate sources and their effect on weight loss:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/78/4/850S.full
And just for fun, here are some anecdotal tales that go beyond carbohydrates and deal strictly with calories. Note that these are only meant to show the short term benefits of a reduction in bodyfat through caloric restriction. They do not prove anything about how macro and micronutrient compositions affect body compositions and long term health markers.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mcdonalds-diet-iowa-teacher-loses-37-pounds-but-is-it-healthy/
follow up
http://www.today.com/health/man-loses-56-pounds-after-eating-only-mcdonalds-six-months-2D79329158