Adam3000
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To be clear for record, I just want to say that I am a 100% believer in calorie in vs. calories out for weight loss without regard to specific body composition (lean mass vs. bodyfat). Denying it is denying fundamental science and physics. But I think a lot of the new school, anti-bro science thinkers are taking it a bit too far in the opposite direction in regards to bodybuilding.
@CashmereThoughts your sentiment of scoffing at 'clean' eating is noble mainly because the difference it makes in regards to a realistic diet is likely very small, but to say that the difference is non-existent doesn't really pay attention to our body's physiology.
Let me use an extreme example to make my point. Lets say someone is on a bulking diet, 3500 calories. Now, if that person were to consume their entire 3500 calories in the form of Mountain Dew, how exactly is the body supposed to use this to build muscle tissue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know of no process in the body that converts fructose and sucrose to amino acids, let alone enough amino acids for the body to synthesize tissue.
That being said, that is not a realistic diet. A true IIFYM follower would likely do something like a chicken breast and a Mountain Dew in place of a chicken breast and a bowl of Oatmeal. Now, I'm sure there is still a difference between the two, but in the scope of complete IIFYM diet the difference is likely so small that it doesn't matter. Most people follow the 80/20 rule....80% nutritionallly dense food, 20% free-for-all with respect to macronutrient and calorie composition
@CashmereThoughts your sentiment of scoffing at 'clean' eating is noble mainly because the difference it makes in regards to a realistic diet is likely very small, but to say that the difference is non-existent doesn't really pay attention to our body's physiology.
Let me use an extreme example to make my point. Lets say someone is on a bulking diet, 3500 calories. Now, if that person were to consume their entire 3500 calories in the form of Mountain Dew, how exactly is the body supposed to use this to build muscle tissue? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I know of no process in the body that converts fructose and sucrose to amino acids, let alone enough amino acids for the body to synthesize tissue.
That being said, that is not a realistic diet. A true IIFYM follower would likely do something like a chicken breast and a Mountain Dew in place of a chicken breast and a bowl of Oatmeal. Now, I'm sure there is still a difference between the two, but in the scope of complete IIFYM diet the difference is likely so small that it doesn't matter. Most people follow the 80/20 rule....80% nutritionallly dense food, 20% free-for-all with respect to macronutrient and calorie composition