GGG vs Kell Brook September 10th R.I.P Kell Brook/Chocolatito-Cuadras & JSK-Kamegai 2

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Is this fight worth a watch :lupe: didn't wanna support 97G :manny: anyone got a link

yeah :ehh:

Watching it live was dope, Brook really did give a good fight, as short as it was. Although I will say that I think both Khan's and Brook's performances are being a bit overstated; they both did fine given the circumstances, but neither really did much against the bigger opps.
 

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Nice try! :umad: If Canelo steps up and fights GGG next fall I will be picking GGG in @Newzz's boxing pic's thread. Nothing has changed, still taking GGG via stoppage. :smugbiden:


Felt the same as well. It was a close fight and Cuadras did a lot of good work, but I still had Chocolatito winning a close fight. I may need to catch up on what Inoue is all about, because they are saying it is very possible to go down in 2017. Roman attacks offensively with a fury of punches, so he can be countered back, that would worry me vs. a guy with power like Inoue.


Figured I would quote you homey, than the idiot claiming GGG has been ducking Jacobs. First, Jacobs holds the B-Side of GGG's belt and hasn't been asking for the real version of the title. He has been content defending his off brand WBA shyt. Maybe peeps get confused because GGG calls out Canelo and BJS, but his team has long said they would fight Jacobs. The issue is that when Jacobs team is contacted the other side goes silent. Brehs may hate the media surrounding GGG, but they all report that Jacobs team hasn't been willing to negotiate at all with GGG. Heck earlier this year Jacobs said he thought he needed another full year to be prepared to fight GGG. At least now Jacobs is remembering GGG's name, but according to those rumors you heard he may try and hide behind money (may get bailed out cause HBO is broke as fukk and can't even offer fair wages).


BJS is still going to have to be part of the conversation. In the press leading up to this fight GGG said he is sick of calling out Canelo and having Canelo respond in word, but not contract, so he is going to try and spend less attention chasing the fight with Canelo and basically leave it as - when Canelo wants to fight, GGG will sign, but he is for the moment done asking publicly for it, since that hasn't gone anywhere.
BJS still fits his goals in that he wants to unify and has publicly wanted that for a long time. Ideally if GGG and Canelo were to fight, I think Canelo and BJS should fight so Canelo can get GGG's desired 4th belt and be like :umad: and set up a monster promotion for fall of 2017. ODH and GB talk of letting the fight marinate to build it up more, that is the only legitimate way of building the fight into something bigger than it is now...the other way is just starving fans (like Mayweather and Pacquiao) and they will buy it anyways out of desperation.


Those are bad cards breh. Was my biggest concern for the fight, if it somehow went the distance. :francis: I think most probably had it 2-2 and if you were leaning 3-1 I think GGG deserved it more than Kell. :yeshrug:


It still remains the biggest factor I think people ignore about GGG, but also maybe his worst trait. IMO, it isn't worth risking giving the other opponent a shot, when you can dominate them (word to Floyd Mayweather). In the Lemieux and Stevens fights, GGG didn't get caught with any punches near what he caught in the others you mentioned. I don't think it was due to opponent's skill, but rather that GGG visibly made a conscious effort to focus on his defense vs. those two and started off the fights much more cautiously, working behind his jab. @((ReFleX)) is right, GGG backs straight up defensively and gets caught with punches he shouldn't...but that also falls into this caveat as well. That typically is his defensive maneuver when he wants to evade, but not lose any ground to come forward immediately after, which he does against punchers he doesn't respect. Against Lemieux and Stevens he showed a lot more responsibility and respect for their power and was defensively more responsible.

In re-watching Brook vs. GGG, Abel was right, GGG should never have abondoned his jab. Before the fight, I was unsure how effective it would be, due to Brook having a speed advantage, but from the outset GGG's most accurate and damaging punch was his jab. I think GGG got frustrated that because Brook had the head and foot movement of a smaller fighter he was tougher to real in with his head shot power punches so he started walking straight into Brook to try to end the fight quickly. I think if he would have been more patient and worked behind the jab, he would have looked more impressive and would have broken Brook down.
What's crazy is he barely used the jab and still ended up breaking brooks face with it, a smaller man in brook with good movement couldn't even escape ggg jab:whoo:
 

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Don't agree with you @GREENandYELLOW about golovkins jab. When he throws it with conviction, it's easily slippable, counterable and slow. Kell beat Porter by check hooking over the top of his jab then clinching. Brook could have done that to triple g, but he caught that left hook and seemed to go into survival mode after that.
 

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Don't agree with you @GREENandYELLOW about golovkins jab. When he throws it with conviction, it's easily slippable, counterable and slow. Kell beat Porter by check hooking over the top of his jab then clinching. Brook could have done that to triple g, but he caught that left hook and seemed to go into survival mode after that.
I won't say that isn't possible. What I went into the fight thinking was that GGG's biggest weakness was going to be dealing with a faster Kell Brook, because let's be honest here GGG isn't fast at 160, and it would take him a while to start landing cleaner shots that did damage. Similar to what we thought would happen with Canelo-Khan.

GGG struggled to land head shots, which I fully expected, but his jab I was unsure of. I figured he would have to land the more basic punches, before the bigger shots would open up. But right from the get go GGG landed his jab impactfully. You are correct in that it isn't a fast jab, but like Abel said in that "best of" GGG's jab is so accurate. IMO, GGG could have worked off the jab and Kell wouldn't have had those inside opportunities, but he kept jabbing and trying to immediately work inside, which didn't benefit him. If he wanted to win on points, I think he would have been better off using the jab like vs. Lemieux and seeing what naturally presented itself.

Where I find things interesting in the likes of BJS and Jacobs is that this may make them more inclined to fight, but I am not sure they can do what Brook did. Brook landed a lot of his punches because he was quicker than GGG and could make him miss and get inside, Jacobs and BJS will be operating at a speed for 160 lb'ers, whereas Brook's speed on Saturday was quicker than any other 160 lb fighter. The tying up aspect is something Brook showed that GGG doesn't like. If you can Floyd Mayweather GGG by getting your punches in and tying him up or when GGG attacks move in to tie GGG up, that affects GGG's offense a lot.
 

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If I'm a big guy like Jacobs, I'm going right after GGG immediately and trying to overwhelm him with bombs early. Change the whole fight dynamic from jump street. He might even get a knockdown or hurt dude and force a stoppage. :manny:

I would only advise Jacobs to do this since he has a good size advantage and real good power. Now Jacobs ain't got the best of chins, but I rather go all out for a round or two and then box to try and keep a lead going, instead of running around the ring early burning up energy only to get cut off and beat up on.
 

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If I'm a big guy like Jacobs, I'm going right after GGG immediately and trying to overwhelm him with bombs early. Change the whole fight dynamic from jump street. He might even get a knockdown or hurt dude and force a stoppage. :manny:

I would only advise Jacobs to do this since he has a good size advantage and real good power. Now Jacobs ain't got the best of chins, but I rather go all out for a round or two and then box to try and keep a lead going, instead of running around the ring early burning up energy only to get cut off and beat up on.
I agree with this. Jacobs chin gives me pause, be he has the power to hurt GGG.
 

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If I'm a big guy like Jacobs, I'm going right after GGG immediately and trying to overwhelm him with bombs early. Change the whole fight dynamic from jump street. He might even get a knockdown or hurt dude and force a stoppage. :manny:

I agree 100% you take the approach Maidana did against AB and Floyd.
 

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this camera angle better highlights how badly brook exposed little g in that 2nd round. dude was making him look flat out stupid.
GGG didn't respect dude from get go and wanted him out..but kell tried his best but no cigar. Brave effort but out of his league/weight class I guess.

Curtis stevens for me was the guy that gave a more interesting challenge to ggg.
 
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