GGG-Canelo Master Discussion Thread

[GzUp]

But why is Golovkin the better boxer just because he won a silver medal? Not gold, but silver?

We just seen a gold medalist get stopped. Am I talking about Diaz or Shiming? Do it matter, these medals ain't the end all be all.

It matters, u have to be a good boxer to reach that level.

Breh are we really discussing this?

Yes it's common knowledge that they all don't turn out great in the pros.

 

[GzUp]

Right, Lemieux can crack, but he's one dimensional -- had his power completed negated by superior boxing skills.

Which is exactly what I'm predicting for Sept.16.

it's the #cartel

We will see who the better boxer is come that night.

 

[FreedMind]

It matters, u have to be a good boxer to reach that level.

Breh are we really discussing this?

Yes it's common knowledge that they all don't turn out great in the pros.

Keep it lit, you got lazy in explaining why you feel Golovkin is a better boxer.

Canelo turned pro at 15, you expect him to compete for gold before then or something?

 

[GzUp]

Keep it lit, you got lazy in explaining why you feel Golovkin is a better boxer.

Canelo turned pro at 15, you expect him to compete for gold before then or something?

I'm big on amateur careers, u may think it doesn't matter but I do.

shows that he's seen it all, that he had to adjust and learn.. amateur career is like a big learning process.

 

[FreedMind]

I'm big on amateur careers, u may think it doesn't matter but I do.

shows that he's seen it all, that he had to adjust and learn.. amateur career is like a big learning process.

I never said they don't matter. But why are you acting like Golovkin winning a silver medal automatically makes him a better boxer than Canelo? That's what I disagree with. To use the medal as the difference between their skills is lazy.

Lomachenko had one the most storied amateur careers of all time and still lost to Salido.

 

[GzUp]

I never said they don't matter. But why are you acting like Golovkin winning a silver medal automatically makes him a better boxer than Canelo? That's what I disagree with. To use the medal as the difference between their skills is lazy.

Lomachenko had among the most stories amateur careers of all time and still lost to Salido.

Do U feel that Saldo is a better boxer then Loma?

The better boxer doesn't always win, but a lot of the times they do.

The winner of the fight doesn't mean u have the better boxing skills.

 

[FreedMind]

Do U feel that Saldo is a better boxer then Loma?

The better boxer doesn't always win, but a lot of the times they do.

The winner of the fight doesn't mean u have the better boxing skills.

Nah, he ain't a better boxer.

Like Diaz isn't a better boxer than Crawford despite the difference in amateur achievement.

Like Golovkin isn't the better boxer despite winning silver in 04.

 

[GzUp]

Nah, he ain't a better boxer.

Like Diaz isn't a better boxer than Crawford despite the difference in amateur achievement.

Like Golovkin isn't the better boxer despite winning silver in 04.

Ya Crawford had a very good amatuer career, i also find him a better boxer.

Diaz can box good too.

people with a good amatuer career are better boxers with fighters who don't have amatuer careers.

 

[reservoirdogs]

I'm big on amateur careers, u may think it doesn't matter but I do.

shows that he's seen it all, that he had to adjust and learn.. amateur career is like a big learning process.

Look at the Olympics medal table in boxing

Mexico is like in the middle not even top 10...

Now look at their place in pro boxing history.

Successful amateurs naturally tend to become successful pros but there are more than one way to achieve a successful pro career. Some boxers just turn pro before they could reach their peak as an amateur cause they don't want to wait anymore and there are some who completely skip the amateur step and still become a successful pro

 

[reservoirdogs]

Triple g is a silver medalist and a gold world championship and u feel canelo is the better boxer?

When it comes to defense canelo is over dramatic with his upper body movements and people assume his defense is good, plus he hardly even moves his upper body. When he's not doing that he's not moving his head and is easy to hit. People makes gifs of him moving his upper body and dodging some punches but he doesn't do that the whole fight.

Triple g ranks at the top of fighters who get hit the least amount.

Iq?.. canelo can't even cut off the ring. Triple g ring iq is way better then canelos. Silver medalist and gold champion.


Only thing canelo had over triple g is hand speed, his feet are glued to the floor.


The most important punch in boxing is the jab, Danny spoke highly of triple g jab, someone like Danny that is tall, quick on his feet couldn't avoid it and left his both eyes closing.


Creativity? Do u mean when he tries that cute shyt? Cuz he's going to get slumped if he tries that.

Yeah I know about all that but as I said his defense skills diminished and I can't even take that Olympics as a good point because it was more than 10 years ago.
Also I tend to believe to my eyes not amateur accomplishments. People also swooning over Usyk saying he's gonna dominate cruiser cause he was so good as an amateur and he even could do well in heavyweight.
Well guess what I don't see it.


Defense: I didn't say Canelo is Pernell Whitaker, of course he has his flaws too but his defense is definitely better than Golovkin's and please don't come up with fukking Compubox stats which are counted by people we know nothing about. Also some Golovkin opponents didn't land on him cause they didn't dare to throw, same thing won't happen with Canelo. For highly skilled foghters he's there to be hit. Jacobs and Brook both showed this.

IQ: no breh Golovkin's ring iq isn't better
Canelo can fight multiple ranges and directions, Golovkin at this point only can fight in his preferred range and only forward. He doesn't like it on the inside nor if he has to fight on the backfoot, he very much relies on his preferred range and direction he's no Andre Ward and idgaf about the silver medal cause yet again it's not relevant here.
Canelo has problems cutting off the ring but when it was needed he still solved the task somehow against a high level opponent (Lara). And of course he won't have to cut off the ring against Golovkin.

Footsped: disagree

Jab: GGG has a great jab no doubt but Canelo also has a very good jab just he uses it more ways not always as a stiff jab so it's less obvious.

Creativity: yes it counts, lol

 

[GzUp]

Look at the Olympics medal table in boxing

Mexico is like in the middle not even top 10...

Now look at their place in pro boxing history.

Successful amateurs naturally tend to become successful pros but there are more than one way to achieve a successful pro career. Some boxers just turn pro before they could reach their peak as an amateur cause they don't want to wait anymore and there are some who completely skip the amateur step and still become a successful pro

Breh like I said, the better boxers don't always win. We are just discussing who is the better boxer between the 2.

Everything u said I agree and know that.

 

[GzUp]

Yeah I know about all that but as I said his defense skills diminished and I can't even take that Olympics as a good point because it was more than 10 years ago.
Also I tend to believe to my eyes not amateur accomplishments. People also swooning over Usyk saying he's gonna dominate cruiser cause he was so good as an amateur and he even could do well in heavyweight.
Well guess what I don't see it.


Defense: I didn't say Canelo is Pernell Whitaker, of course he has his flaws too but his defense is definitely better than Golovkin's and please don't come up with fukking Compubox stats which are counted by people we know nothing about. Also some Golovkin opponents didn't land on him cause they didn't dare to throw, same thing won't happen with Canelo. For highly skilled foghters he's there to be hit. Jacobs and Brook both showed this.

IQ: no breh Golovkin's ring iq isn't better
Canelo can fight multiple ranges and directions, Golovkin at this point only can fight in his preferred range and only forward. He doesn't like it on the inside nor if he has to fight on the backfoot, he very much relies on his preferred range and direction he's no Andre Ward and idgaf about the silver medal cause yet again it's not relevant here.
Canelo has problems cutting off the ring but when it was needed he still solved the task somehow against a high level opponent (Lara). And of course he won't have to cut off the ring against Golovkin.

Footsped: disagree

Jab: GGG has a great jab no doubt but Canelo also has a very good jab just he uses it more ways not always as a stiff jab so it's less obvious.

Creativity: yes it counts, lol

If u don't compubox and have the eye test Ill show u some videos on his skills. Watch the defense, the footwork and footspeed, the shifting(what u know about this?) and more.



Ring IQ. It means to be smart in the ring, who do u think is smarter in the ring? We will go back to that once u answer.

Idk if your saying canelo has a better jab but u can't even compare really.. triple g jab u can't avoid cuz it's elite... 73-88 total punches landed on Lara were body punches, he only landed 9 jabs!!! And they gave it to him! Canelo chased him all night cuz he can't even cut off the ring, poor ring iq, he doesn't fight smart.

 

[malbaker86]

Through five, two judges had it even, and one even had Brook up against GGG. The welterweight was putting paws on the MW boogeyman.

Jacob didn't hurt him but certainly had him backtracking a lot more than anyone else in the past. A lot of people also thought Jacob could've won the fight. Golovkin also seemed gassed.

That WW was on his way to having his careed ended too.

And Jacobs fought strategic and it was close wont evem argue some saying he qon but i felt ggg edged him. Jacobs couldn't handle that jab either....neither will Canelo. I do wonder tho, if Canelo will be too sharp for ggg

 

[LauderdaleBoss]

It's not about who has more skills, it's about who applies their skills better when the actual fight happens.

 

[GzUp]

The comments section are full of Mexican people saying triple g is going to win, the top comment person is complaining why Mexicans are not supporting canelo.