Get married or become a rest haven?

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This is why I have age limits on seriously dating. If a woman wouldn't fukk you when she was 18-25 and she had met you then, or you know you couldn't catch her eye without bread, there's not a basal/primal attraction. If she doesn't lust for you there's a certain amount of leverage you'll never have in the relationship.

Also women rarely love men, they love whenfor what they perceive them to be, what the man can do for them, and how the man can make them feel. Not necessarily the man in his natural genuine state
people don't like seeing people for what they are
 

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“I need to enjoy the woman’s non sexual company” is selfish. I’m not saying it’s bad, I’m saying all criteria when looking for a mate is how they fulfill your need. Again, it’s not a bad thing at all, but what any of us are specifically looking for is inherently selfish because it’s meant to serve self :yeshrug:

I get what you mean in a literal sense but for me again OBVIOUSLY I would want her to feel the same way about the relationship. Ideally we both be getting the same perceived long term benefit.

In reality there is a "winner" in most relationships or a person who feels more happy/content. I personally think relationships work better when the woman loves the man more because it allows for fluctuations without the commitments shaking. From what I've seen when it's even all it takes is her losing a few pounds, buddy losing his job, a lurking work bf, etc. to tip the scales. I don't want to say women are more fickle in relationships but I've always perceived it that way if the man and the woman are entering the relationship based off love/attraction/enjoyment of company vs. a guy looking for consistent sex with a woman that isn't too bothersome, or a guy that wants someone to cook and clean for him, etc.
 
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I get what you mean in a literal sense but for me again OBVIOUSLY I would want her to feel the same way about the relationship. Ideally we both be getting the same perceived long term benefit.

In reality there is a "winner" in most relationships or a person who feels more happy/content. I personally think relationships work better when the woman loves the man more because it allows for fluctuations without the commitments shaking. From what I've seen when it's even all it takes is her losing a few pounds, buddy losing his job, a lurking work bf, etc. to tip the scales. I don't want to say women are more fickle in relationships but I've always perceived it that way if the man and the woman are entering the relationship based off love/attraction/enjoyment of company vs. a guy looking for consistent sex with a woman that isn't too bothersome, or a guy that wants someone to cook and clean for him, etc.
every man I know who built his life around a woman always had their souls taken when their girl left them especially in a ruthless way like they never existed. cheating usually involved somewhere. the look in their eyes you know they are an empty shell. I've noticed the more way back in childhood they met their spouse, the more bitter they are and they NEVER get over it. The wrong woman will destroy you FOREVER
 

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every man I know who built his life around a woman always had their souls taken when their girl left them especially in a ruthless way like they never existed. cheating usually involved somewhere. the look in their eyes you know they are an empty shell. I've noticed the more way back in childhood they met their spouse, the more bitter they are and they NEVER get over it. The wrong woman will destroy you FOREVER

1000% you're correct, men have always love harder because that's meant literal work/providing/sacrifice as a minimum, in addition to validation and affection. To really make the cypher complete you'd ideally be able to be vulnerable with the woman but that's the catch-22. Woman don't like that shyt. They want to confide, cry to, be supported emotionally by, have tears and fears calmed by YOU, the man. Once you show chinks in your armor the dynamics often change and now she has the ammo she needs to shatter the mans heart and subsequently his mental. I know I have one actual love left in me, after that not a chance I'm as vulnerable, shyt I've had mild heartbreak and it makes you more precautious and hesitant to trust/open up. When I meet women I tell them tongue in cheek I'm boring and emotionally unavailable and that's the case for most women I'll come across because we won't have similar intellects/interests/taste, and I'm able to ID their surface level reason for interest because as aforementioned it's not me as a whole, it's my car, my physique, my humor.

People grossly understate how understanding people and having the ability to relate/connect to different people/be personable doesn't translate to you finding someone you have a genuine connection with, that goes for women, acquaintances, and associates
 

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Exactly people fall in love for different reasons
But you gotta make sure what she fall in love with you for is something that can't be taken from you or very difficult to take from you like your personality or stature or sense of humor or something
If she love you for something that can be lost or taken like money, clout, opportunity you lost
That's why the best relationships are when a chick already got what she want and need and so do you. Y'all together because y'all like being around each other not because you need each other
Big facts, only issue is often for women by the time they're self sufficient and debt free or have low debt, the wall approaches so there are ulterior motives in their searches and they rush to get someone, settling in the process only to resent it later or slip into their old/real attractions
 

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It’s always interesting to see whether people like what they attract. Because that’s what it comes down to.

There are more than just users attracted to you usually. There are plenty of decent people who may find you desirable. But the question is, do you want those individuals that act right and are interested in you.

Who you choose to entertain, worry about, pursue, woo, spend time with is a reflection of what you really want.

People have a hard time understanding that everything that glitters ain’t gold or marriage material. But once they learn to strike a balance between the physical attraction and other relationship oriented qualities that can sustain something real over time, then a lot of this stuff melts away. But that comes with personal growth, self-knowledge, attending to personal needs and such.
 

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1000% you're correct, men have always love harder because that's meant literal work/providing/sacrifice as a minimum, in addition to validation and affection. To really make the cypher complete you'd ideally be able to be vulnerable with the woman but that's the catch-22. Woman don't like that shyt. They want to confide, cry to, be supported emotionally by, have tears and fears calmed by YOU, the man. Once you show chinks in your armor the dynamics often change and now she has the ammo she needs to shatter the mans heart and subsequently his mental. I know I have one actual love left in me, after that not a chance I'm as vulnerable, shyt I've had mild heartbreak and it makes you more precautious and hesitant to trust/open up. When I meet women I tell them tongue in cheek I'm boring and emotionally unavailable and that's the case for most women I'll come across because we won't have similar intellects/interests/taste, and I'm able to ID their surface level reason for interest because as aforementioned it's not me as a whole, it's my car, my physique, my humor.

People grossly understate how understanding people and having the ability to relate/connect to different people/be personable doesn't translate to you finding someone you have a genuine connection with, that goes for women, acquaintances, and associates
You’re a man and you shouldn’t be looking to a woman for emotional stability of any kind. My father has NEVER cried to my mother, never. There is a very good chance she will lose respect for you even if you don’t realize for years.

Go to your boys if you’re having issues. They’ll understand. Don’t be an emotionless robot but understand any weakness is innately unattractive to many of them.

Be irreplaceable brehs. That’s the key to respect in everything you do.
 
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