George Zimmerman taken into custody after incident with gun, police say

[Odyssey]

Straight filibuster in regards to the point of the thread....And then you go on further to reduce racism to a theory......

You have some serious hostility towards reality, and a basic set of facts. Are you really trying to tell us that institutional discrimination against black people in America is some kind of unproven, made-up-out-of-thin-air theory? Are you on drugs, or just that bitterly racist? Let me ask you, what sort of events in history, or in current time, can you point to where Black people have enforced, or even shown a willingness in infringing upon white people's basic human rights, collectively and institutionally, in a very serious and real way?

And yeah, I remember the chistopher lane case. Thats the case where the mainstream media lost interest once they found out one of the perpetrators was white, after aggressively portraying all three suspects as black. You're too far out of sorts mentally, to engage with you in any meaningful way. You're a carnival barker.

1) How have i reduced racism to a theory?

2) Please quote where i said discrimination against black people in America is an unproven theory. Black people have not enforced any of this, read what i wrote again. I am solely putting the blame on white elites.

 

[MVike28]

Post racist tea party wingnut manifestos on urban forums brehs

 

[Odyssey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

Support Communist theories while calling people Nazi's and racists, brehs.

An ideology that killed 100 million? No biggie!

 

[No_bammer_weed]

1) How have i reduced racism to a theory?

2) Please quote where i said discrimination against black people in America is an unproven theory. Black people have not enforced any of this, read what i wrote again. I am solely putting the blame on white elites.

You're trolling. I quoted an excerpt, where you suggested that discrimination against black people was just some bullsht that critical race theorists made up. Here is the quote again:

What is the main theory of critical race theory. Simply, whites = oppressive class, whiteness is not a racial reality, it is a measure of political power, whites use this power to control and subjugate people of colour. Sounds dandy on paper, but, has anyone stopped to ask one simple question. What if they are wrong?

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

1) How have i reduced racism to a theory?

2) Please quote where i said discrimination against black people in America is an unproven theory. Black people have not enforced any of this, read what i wrote again. I am solely putting the blame on white elites.

You probably need to re-read what you posted.....You absolutely marginalized the tangible effects of institutionalized racism to a conspiracy theory.

And then you counter by saying that discrimination is not an unproven theory...

Do you know what a theory is? The fact that you referred to discrimination as not being an "unproven theory" leads me to believe otherwise...

 

[Odyssey]

You're trolling. I quoted an excerpt, where you suggested that discrimination against black people was just some bullsht that critical race theorists made up. Here is the quote again:

You probably need to re-read what you posted.....You absolutely marginalized the tangible effects of institutionalized racism to a conspiracy theory.

And then you counter by saying that discrimination is not an unproven theory...

Do you know what a theory is? The fact that you referred to discrimination as not being an "unproven theory" leads me to believe otherwise...

1)That is not what i am trying to say, discrimination against people of colour is clearly not made up, how you guys came to that conclusion based on what i wrote is beyond me. What i am saying is that critical race theory labels all whites as class oppressors, just as patriarchal theory labels all men as class oppressor, i am asking what if this is wrong. What if most poor and working class whites have no control over institutionalized racism?

2) Bammer says, in regard to the Christopher Lane case, that they threw out the notion of it being a racial crime because one of the kids was white? So, are you saying racism is simply a measure of whiteness? If that is the case, why wasn't the notion of racism thrown out during the Zimmerman case as Zimmerman is half Peruvian?

3) Do you guys believe race is a social construct? Do whites not have phenotypical traits that are measurable to being ethnically European?

4) I would assume most of you agree with critical race theory, in that all whites are class oppressors of people of colour, if you believe this then please answer the following:

- how are poor and working class whites actively keeping people of colour out of educational institutes?

- what systematic violence are poor and working class whites committing on people of colour?

- how are poor and working class whites keeping people of colour out of large corporations

- how are poor and working class whites denying people of colour access to health care?


5) Just for fun, lets ask these questions:

- how are men actively denying women access to health care?

- how are men actively denying women access to education?

- how are men actively keeping women out of the boardroom and corporations?

 

[TheReal_Broke_88m3_13]

Dis Odyssey mufukka.

I think he's another one of @Slang 's aliases

Brown Ant = Slang <<< I remember caught this dumb ass trying to edit something before....

 

[Odyssey]

Who the fukk is Slang? Toronto sucks.

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

Who the fukk is Slang? Toronto sucks.

*puts this lame on ignore*

 

[Beegio]

1)That is not what i am trying to say, discrimination against people of colour is clearly not made up, how you guys came to that conclusion based on what i wrote is beyond me. What i am saying is that critical race theory labels all whites as class oppressors, just as patriarchal theory labels all men as class oppressor, i am asking what if this is wrong. What if most poor and working class whites have no control over institutionalized racism?

2) Bammer says, in regard to the Christopher Lane case, that they threw out the notion of it being a racial crime because one of the kids was white? So, are you saying racism is simply a measure of whiteness? If that is the case, why wasn't the notion of racism thrown out during the Zimmerman case as Zimmerman is half Peruvian?

3) Do you guys believe race is a social construct? Do whites not have phenotypical traits that are measurable to being ethnically European?

4) I would assume most of you agree with critical race theory, in that all whites are class oppressors of people of colour, if you believe this then please answer the following:

- how are poor and working class whites actively keeping people of colour out of educational institutes?

- what systematic violence are poor and working class whites committing on people of colour?

- how are poor and working class whites keeping people of colour out of large corporations

- how are poor and working class whites denying people of colour access to health care?


5) Just for fun, lets ask these questions:

- how are men actively denying women access to health care?

- how are men actively denying women access to education?

- how are men actively keeping women out of the boardroom and corporations?

 

[mrken12]

set us back? what world are you living in? one that's removed from where i'm standing, clearly. unemployment in our commmunity is over 50%. think about that. young black boys can be gunned down with impunity, and cries of outrage are met with accusations of playing the race card. black entertainment is a parade of stereotypes that denigrate us on a daily basis. positive images of black men and women are rare in "popular" culture. so, what am i doing that hasn't already been done?

you say that the death of this white guy only reinforces, in white people's minds, their distorted image of black men. i say that THEIR racism is why that white guy is dead. if white people wish to stop the escalation of violence towards them by black people, they must take ownership of the problems in our community. they must start hiring black people. they must stop making gross presumptions of guilt because of our skin color. they must stop reducing our people to caricatures and start treating us as human beings.

if they don't, then, more of them will be hurt. and i will not feel any sympathy.

Exactly. The deep disdain most black people have for white people is because of what white people have done. As long as they keep denying that, things will get worse.

The guy that was attacked by a Black man screaming "I am going to punch the next white man i see" has now died.

Honestly I really don't care about that person. He easily could have been another racist scumbag and I don't have any sympathy for him.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

1)That is not what i am trying to say, discrimination against people of colour is clearly not made up, how you guys came to that conclusion based on what i wrote is beyond me. What i am saying is that critical race theory labels all whites as class oppressors, just as patriarchal theory labels all men as class oppressor, i am asking what if this is wrong. What if most poor and working class whites have no control over institutionalized racism?

2) Bammer says, in regard to the Christopher Lane case, that they threw out the notion of it being a racial crime because one of the kids was white? So, are you saying racism is simply a measure of whiteness? If that is the case, why wasn't the notion of racism thrown out during the Zimmerman case as Zimmerman is half Peruvian?

3) Do you guys believe race is a social construct? Do whites not have phenotypical traits that are measurable to being ethnically European?

4) I would assume most of you agree with critical race theory, in that all whites are class oppressors of people of colour, if you believe this then please answer the following:

- how are poor and working class whites actively keeping people of colour out of educational institutes?

- what systematic violence are poor and working class whites committing on people of colour?

- how are poor and working class whites keeping people of colour out of large corporations

- how are poor and working class whites denying people of colour access to health care?

When ever you back yourself into a rhetorical corner, you just start blatantly pulling things out of your ass. Either you have never studied CRT, or you just like to troll. CRT does not instruct that all whites are oppressors. It routinely informs how the working class of all hues are often victimized by racism. For instance, racism often prevents working class whites from forming natural political, and economic coalitions w/ people of color, which would be to both groups mutual self interest. Many working class whites opt to identify with white power brokers, who enforce damaging policies but use race as wedge issues to maintain solidarity. Thats just one example.

True to your intellectual cul-de-sac ways, you revert back to a position you claimed to deny initially when pressured. In our first exchange, you claimed to not want to draw comparisons to the trayvon martin case with other cases (because you knew the comparisons were messy), but once again you're back to your logic free assertions. The trayvon martin case was not about a simple interracial crime gaining national interest --- the interest was in the fact that no charges were filed. The dysfunctional nature of the investigation, in which trayvon's constitutional rights were marginalized, was the prominent issue. As the case developed and took on a life of its own (owed mainly to conservatives deifying GZ, and demonizing the victim), it became theater of the ignorant.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

Support Communist theories while calling people Nazi's and racists, brehs.

An ideology that killed 100 million? No biggie!

postmodernism updated the older theorists, who sometimes promoted unhealthy discourse. CRT, like most disciplines, isnt some static method, which owes all of its leanings to minds from centuries ago. Older theorists formed an anti-positivist base, to which the scholarly tradition evolved from.

 

[Odyssey]

Could you provide some sources to the postmodern updates of CRT? I would be interested in reading them.

I see everyone dapping you, @VictorVonDoom @88m3 @Peter Vecsey @Handsback are avoiding the question of race being a social construct, and of ethnic europeans having measurable phenotypical traits. I wonder why...

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Could you provide some sources to the postmodern updates of CRT? I would be interested in reading them.

I see everyone dapping you, @VictorVonDoom @88m3 @Peter Vecsey @Handsback are avoiding the question of race being a social construct, and of ethnic europeans having measurable phenotypical traits. I wonder why...

Your ignorance is blinding. The argument made by the 'race is a social construct' crowd, is not that phenotypical differences do not exist between sub groups--- thats absurd, the argument is that the physical characteristics that mark racial categories are controlled by a handful of genes (roughly 6 genes control face structure, hair texture, and skin color, out of the 30,000 that make up a human genome). The social construct is the idea that these genes somehow act in CONCORDANCE with intellect, temperament, impulsivity, character, etc, that cut strictly along racial lines.....this is the racist argument that has survived for hundreds of years. Are you familiar at all with the human genome project, and its various works? Jesus Christ.

as far as some post modern authors you inquired about, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, and Jean-François Lyotard are good places to start. Please. Read something. Anything