George Zimmerman taken into custody after incident with gun, police say

[Odyssey]

Your ignorance is blinding. The argument made by the 'race is a social construct' crowd, is not that phenotypical differences do not exist between sub groups--- thats absurd, the argument is that the physical characteristics that mark racial categories are controlled by a handful of genes (roughly 6 genes control face structure, hair texture, and skin color, out of the 30,000 that make up a human genome). The social construct is the idea that these genes somehow act in CONCORDANCE with intellect, temperament, impulsivity, character, etc, that cut strictly along racial lines.....this is the racist argument that has survived for hundreds of years. Are you familiar at all with the human genome project, and its various works? Jesus Christ.

as far as some post modern authors you inquired about, Jacques Derrida, Michel Foucault, and Jean-François Lyotard are good places to start. Please. Read something. Anything

You're incredibly condescending, what makes you assume i don't know the stance of the social construct crowd? I am asking the question so i can know their stance on the fukking topic.

 

[Odyssey]

When ever you back yourself into a rhetorical corner, you just start blatantly pulling things out of your ass. Either you have never studied CRT, or you just like to troll. CRT does not instruct that all whites are oppressors. It routinely informs how the working class of all hues are often victimized by racism. For instance, racism often prevents working class whites from forming natural political, and economic coalitions w/ people of color, which would be to both groups mutual self interest. Many working class whites opt to identify with white power brokers, who enforce damaging policies but use race as wedge issues to maintain solidarity. Thats just one example.

True to your intellectual cul-de-sac ways, you revert back to a position you claimed to deny initially when pressured. In our first exchange, you claimed to not want to draw comparisons to the trayvon martin case with other cases (because you knew the comparisons were messy), but once again you're back to your logic free assertions. The trayvon martin case was not about a simple interracial crime gaining national interest --- the interest was in the fact that no charges were filed. The dysfunctional nature of the investigation, in which trayvon's constitutional rights were marginalized, was the prominent issue. As the case developed and took on a life of its own (owed mainly to conservatives deifying GZ, and demonizing the victim), it became theater of the ignorant.

Actually fukk it, i will give my final opinion on this and then fukk off, no need to draw this out into a larger discussion just so people can keep calling me names.

Humans naturally balkanize around racial and ethnic lines. There is considerable evidence in both behavioural genetics and evolutionary psychology that concludes all races naturally balkanize towards people who look like them - there is no conspiracy or active white agenda to identify with "white power brokers" at the expense of people of colour, they are simply acting on behavioural and psychological long term evolution - the aspect of social or political force to create a wedge is overblown, it is biological and behavioural, all other groups act in accordance with this evolutionary programming. Blaming whites for acting on a behavioural reality that all other humans express (as CTR does, no matter how nicely people try to shine this up with pretty language) is fundamentally racist.

The academics can try their hardest to reclassify racism(literally changing the dictionary definition) in ways that will blame "whiteness" for everything, this still won't change the fact that humans have evolved to favour their in group. Ethnic Europeans act on this behaviour just like everyone else.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Actually fukk it, i will give my final opinion on this and then fukk off, no need to draw this out into a larger discussion just so people can keep calling me names.

Humans naturally balkanize around racial and ethnic lines. There is considerable evidence in both behavioural genetics and evolutionary psychology that concludes all races naturally balkanize towards people who look like them - there is no conspiracy or active white agenda to identify with "white power brokers" at the expense of people of colour, they are simply acting on behavioural and psychological long term evolution - the aspect of social or political force to create a wedge is overblown, it is biological and behavioural, all other groups act in accordance with this evolutionary programming. Blaming whites for acting on a behavioural reality that all other humans express (as CTR does, no matter how nicely people try to shine this up with pretty language) is fundamentally racist.

The academics can try their hardest to reclassify racism(literally changing the dictionary definition) in ways that will blame "whiteness" for everything, this still won't change the fact that humans have evolved to favour their in group. Ethnic Europeans act on this behaviour just like everyone else.

Once again this is bullshyt, and further evidence that you study under the tree of racist group think. Races dont naturally "balkanize" around racial lines, out of some unconscious biological impulse to segregate. Thats racist apologizing. Its a learned behavior. The doctrines of racial differences are taught, and incessantly reinforced. There is more genetic variability BETWEEN races, than interracially. Why not segregate along a physical difference like eye or hair color, rather than skin color? It would make just as much "biological" sense.

Visit any local elementary school playground, and you will see high degrees of interracial relationships (non sexual), and frindships. Children are aware of a physical difference, but those differences carry little meaning or significance, because social conditioning isnt attached to it. Its not until one ages, and become cognizant of racialized thinking, that race becomes stigmatized. By high school age you will observe significantly higher levels of segregation, than among younger groups.

This is a good example of this phenomenon. The children interviewed are absolutely mystified at why people would have a problem with an interracial couple and family. It doesnt even register to them:

 

[Odyssey]

Use a cheerios commercial as your evidence, brehs.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Use a cheerios commercial as your evidence, brehs.

Use outdated, highly ignorant, scientifically illiterate, offensive, intellectually impotent material to form retarded brain dead opinions, in order to expose to the world that you are cognitive lightweight and a barely functional member of decent society, brehs

 

[Odyssey]

Call an ethnic Pole a Nazi(3 million Poles killed) then support Communist theory which killed countless other Poles, then claim, he is in fact the one being an offensive, barely functional member of soceity, brehs.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

its only going to get worse...

 

[The Real]

Actually fukk it, i will give my final opinion on this and then fukk off, no need to draw this out into a larger discussion just so people can keep calling me names.

Humans naturally balkanize around racial and ethnic lines. There is considerable evidence in both behavioural genetics and evolutionary psychology that concludes all races naturally balkanize towards people who look like them - there is no conspiracy or active white agenda to identify with "white power brokers" at the expense of people of colour, they are simply acting on behavioural and psychological long term evolution - the aspect of social or political force to create a wedge is overblown, it is biological and behavioural, all other groups act in accordance with this evolutionary programming. Blaming whites for acting on a behavioural reality that all other humans express (as CTR does, no matter how nicely people try to shine this up with pretty language) is fundamentally racist.

The academics can try their hardest to reclassify racism(literally changing the dictionary definition) in ways that will blame "whiteness" for everything, this still won't change the fact that humans have evolved to favour their in group. Ethnic Europeans act on this behaviour just like everyone else.

There's no such thing as an "ethnic European." You yourself have pointed out that Hitler believed eastern Europeans were inferior, and in America, until the 40s, you wouldn't have been considered white, either. Pan-European identity is a very recent invention, and even then, it's neither total nor rooted in ethnicity.

The genetic argument is specious. The human tendency to organize into groups isn't specifically, insistently phenotypical, as history has shown time and time again, even if such a general tendency exists. That's why there were Black and Arab Roman emperors. That's why recent, high admixture populations like east Indians or Latinos exist. That's also why interracial marriage is on the rise in the West- if the urge to marry in-group were so inevitable, all that horrible liberal propaganda wouldn't work, and interracial marriage levels would be static. Humans are much more flexible than your viewpoint admits.

 

[Odyssey]

There's no such thing as an "ethnic European." You yourself have pointed out that Hitler believed eastern Europeans were inferior, and in America, until the 40s, you wouldn't have been considered white, either. Pan-European identity is a very recent invention, and even then, it's neither total nor rooted in ethnicity.

The genetic argument is specious. The human tendency to organize into groups isn't specifically, insistently phenotypical, as history has shown time and time again, even if such a general tendency exists. That's why there were Black and Arab Roman emperors. That's why recent, high admixture populations like east Indians or Latinos exist. That's also why interracial marriage is on the rise in the West- if the urge to marry in-group were so inevitable, all that horrible liberal propaganda wouldn't work, and interracial marriage levels would be static. Humans are much more flexible than your viewpoint admits.

I don't buy the argument that there is no such thing as Ethnic Europeans. This seems to be a recent social invention to discourage people with European ancestry as thinking of themselves as an Ethnic group. You're telling me that a blond haired, blue eyed scot/pole would not be considered "white" in 1930? If i wouldn't have been considered white, then logically i would have been Scottish, German or Polish, which tells me different European national and ethnic groups do exist. I will admit that whiteness is a North American concept, insofar as the Irish, Scottish, English, German, Swedish, etc that originally came here have all homogenized themselves through intermarrying, however, this doesn't mean separate European ethnicities do not exist. The issue of Hitler disliking the Slavs only furthers my point that diversity + proximity = conflict. You can troll whites with things like "whiteness studies" It won't change anything. Bring up a neighbourhood map of any major North American city, i guarantee you will find large amounts of Balkanization. People have been working on stopping this for four decades now, it hasn't changed. Why? Maybe those lines are drawn purely on class, but unfortunately, i think class is only one of the reasons.

There have been a couple of studies showing that during the first 2/3 of the menstrual cycle, when estrogen is high, women have no bias towards out group members, however, during the last bit of the menstrual cycle, women show a strong bias for in group members. This tells me there is some level of "genetic determinism" to protect one's genes. Human's are indeed more flexible than what my viewpoints might show, and this is a good thing, I actually enjoy living in a pluralist society, people seem to think i am arguing this from some white nationalist viewpoint. I am simply not willing to blame whites, or support Marxist-Leninist propaganda that completely denies the reality that ethnic/racial divides create conflict. If people want to place the blame solely on the shoulders of whites and ignore world history, that is fine, i am sure it helps them sleep better at night, but don't ask me to follow you down that road.

 

[The Real]

I don't buy the argument that there is no such thing as Ethnic Europeans. This seems to be a recent social invention to discourage people with European ancestry as thinking of themselves as an Ethnic group. You're telling me that a blond haired, blue eyed scot/pole would not be considered "white" in 1930? If i wouldn't have been considered white, then logically i would have been Scottish, German or Polish, which tells me different European national and ethnic groups do exist. I will admit that whiteness is a North American concept, insofar as the Irish, Scottish, English, German, Swedish, etc that originally came here have all homogenized themselves through intermarrying, however, this doesn't mean separate European ethnicities do not exist. The issue of Hitler disliking the Slavs only furthers my point that diversity + proximity = conflict. You can troll whites with things like "whiteness studies" It won't change anything. Bring up a neighbourhood map of any major North American city, i guarantee you will find large amounts of Balkanization. People have been working on stopping this for four decades now, it hasn't changed. Why? Maybe those lines are drawn purely on class, but unfortunately, i think class is only one of the reasons.

There have been a couple of studies showing that during the first 2/3 of the menstrual cycle, when estrogen is high, women have no bias towards out group members, however, during the last bit of the menstrual cycle, women show a strong bias for in group members. This tells me there is some level of "genetic determinism" to protect one's genes. Human's are indeed more flexible than what my viewpoints might show, and this is a good thing, I actually enjoy living in a pluralist society, people seem to think i am arguing this from some white nationalist viewpoint. I am simply not willing to blame whites, or support Marxist-Leninist propaganda that completely denies the reality that ethnic/racial divides create conflict. If people want to place the blame solely on the shoulders of whites and ignore world history, that is fine, i am sure it helps them sleep better at night, but don't ask me to follow you down that road.

Well, we know for a fact that blonde-haired, blue eyed Scots and Poles weren't considered white back then. You can look that up easily, since all the info is out there, but part of that maligned subfield of "whiteness studies" does work to show how whiteness and European-ness are particularly modern. 19th and early 20th century British anthropologists worked hard to make it seem like Irish and Scottish people had a completely different ancestry from the British, and shouldn't be considered white.

They even drew Irish people like monkeys, similar to what they did with Black folks:

Similarly, in the US, Italians, Eastern Europeans, and Irish were considered "ethnics," ie, non-white. There were even places where Black people would be hired BEFORE Irish, because they were considered that low.

Of course there are different European ethnic groups. What I'm talking about is pan-European identity. And again, the point of my argument is that genetic influences don't preclude the kind of plasticity I brought up before, not that they don't exist at all. History is full of examples like the ones I listed, which show that however strong those genetic determinants may be, they aren't strong enough to consistently determine phenotypical, ingroup priority at the expense of others. Even within Europe, those ethnic groups have scattered, merged, and shifted again and again throughout history. That's the reason there's a hyphen between Anglo and Saxon. That's the reason a category like "Polish" even exists.

 

[OG_StankBrefs]

@ y'all still fallin for da bait in hea like dis doe. Cmon brehs.