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Hilarious but I think you missed the point. We’re in the midst of an info war and we’re losing the battle. Offering policy positions isn’t going to be enough to counter the right wing disinformation machine.


The right wing has people getting laid off from their government jobs by Elon’s cuts but still saying they’d still vote for Trump if they could do a do-over
:pachaha:I was just getting the joke off breh, I actually more or less agree with your underlying point about the media landscape. I don't think it's an Alex Jones type that's needed, but there does need to be something that counteracts the right wing disinformation machine. I think it's more about the message than the messenger though. Democrats first need to build out a proper counter-fascist policy program that doesn't just focus on how bad the other side is, but is primarily about how good our side is. Gotta give these hypothetical Democrat influencers some ammo. Because right now all they have are these bullshyt leads. Gotta give them the Glengarry leads. If you build it, they will come.
 

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:pachaha:I was just getting the joke off breh, I actually more or less agree with your underlying point about the media landscape. I don't think it's an Alex Jones type that's needed, but there does need to be something that counteracts the right wing disinformation machine. I think it's more about the message than the messenger though. Democrats first need to build out a proper counter-fascist policy program that doesn't just focus on how bad the other side is, but is primarily about how good our side is. Gotta give these hypothetical Democrat influencers some ammo. Because right now all they have are these bullshyt leads. Gotta give them the Glengarry leads. If you build it, they will come.
I agree with you but I think democrats and the left can walk and chew gum at the same time.

A lot of Trump voters are conspiracy pilled and mistrustful of the government, in ways they are justified in feeling that way.

The fact that the left doesn’t have an equivalent of Alex jones is a huge void and allows those people to easily be funneled into the right wing.

Imagine for a moment the left had an Alex Jones that was putting out content highlighting the gross corruption going on right now by the oligarchy.

Imagine that Alex Jones making a sensational documentary exposing the Curtis Yarvin/Peter Thiel project or the heritage foundation nefarious motives.

Imagine how red pilling and effective that would be for the public in waking them up to how evil the Republicans and MAGA movement is.

The difference is that the left wing Alex jones wouldn’t be spreading lies but highlighting the truth.

There really is an “Illuminati” and they’re showing themselves in the Trump administration
 

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I agree with you but I think democrats and the left can walk and chew gum at the same time.

A lot of Trump voters are conspiracy pilled and mistrustful of the government, in ways they are justified in feeling that way.

The fact that the left doesn’t have an equivalent of Alex jones is a huge void and allows those people to easily be funneled into the right wing.

Imagine for a moment the left had an Alex Jones that was putting out content highlighting the gross corruption going on right now by the oligarchy.

Imagine that Alex Jones making a sensational documentary exposing the Curtis Yarvin/Peter Thiel project or the heritage foundation nefarious motives.

Imagine how red pilling and effective that would be for the public in waking them up to how evil the Republicans and MAGA movement is.

The difference is that the left wing Alex jones wouldn’t be spreading lies but highlighting the truth.

There really is an “Illuminati” and they’re showing themselves in the Trump administration
So youre saying give hasan piker more money basically and beg him not to kneecap whoever is the dem nominee in election years
 

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So youre saying give hasan piker more money basically and beg him not to kneecap whoever is the dem nominee in election years
Not Hasan. Need someone that appears non-partisan like the YouTube Channel WhyFiles but have them focus on right wing donors/oligarchs, thinktanks, fear monger about Christian nationalism and far right groups etc
 

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Not Hasan. Need someone that appears non-partisan like the YouTube Channel WhyFiles but have them focus on right wing donors/oligarchs, thinktanks, fear monger about Christian nationalism and far right groups etc
You’re over complicating things, & people who are into conspiratorial ideas and fear mongering will always lean right authoritarian.
 

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You’re over complicating things, & people who are into conspiratorial ideas and fear mongering will always lean right authoritarian.
I disagree with that. The stereotypical conspiracy nut fears oligarchic control like the Illuminati and bliderberg group . The only reason that they lean right wing authoritarian is because the right wing oligarchs set up patsy’s like Alex jones to heard those conspiracy pilled people with a slight of hand to hate and fear the wrong people.

Why do they hate George soros but not Elon Musk? Due to right wing propaganda

The left has a void in that type media and that’s why we’ve lost them

A lot of those people supported RFK who was a democrat before he got co-opted into MAGA
 

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I agree with you but I think democrats and the left can walk and chew gum at the same time.

A lot of Trump voters are conspiracy pilled and mistrustful of the government, in ways they are justified in feeling that way.

The fact that the left doesn’t have an equivalent of Alex jones is a huge void and allows those people to easily be funneled into the right wing.

Imagine for a moment the left had an Alex Jones that was putting out content highlighting the gross corruption going on right now by the oligarchy.

Imagine that Alex Jones making a sensational documentary exposing the Curtis Yarvin/Peter Thiel project or the heritage foundation nefarious motives.

Imagine how red pilling and effective that would be for the public in waking them up to how evil the Republicans and MAGA movement is.

The difference is that the left wing Alex jones wouldn’t be spreading lies but highlighting the truth.

There really is an “Illuminati” and they’re showing themselves in the Trump administration
This isn't really Alex Jones' beat. He's not a Republican plant, he's an anti-mainstream, anti-government, conspiracy addled deranged nutcase. He's not out there cutting promos for Mitt Romney and Mitch McConnell, talking about tax cuts and funding Ukraine. In this MAGA era, he didn't move towards the Republican Party, the Party moved towards him. Trump channelled the Q-Anon conspiracy worldview and gave his base what they wanted, and they rewarded him in turn. So the left wing Alex Jones you're envisioning would need the Party to move towards him first, because you're going to lose all credibility with any audience if you're only willing to criticize all the anti-progressive bad things one side does while ignoring all the anti-progressive bad things your side does. Pure hypocrisy doesn't lend itself well to critically thinking audiences. There are already Democrat influencers who are doing what you're suggesting and they're not able to push the needle because it's corny. Democrats need to clean their own closet before asking people to do their dirty work.
 
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