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If they voted it down the same people would be calling it performative

:coffee:

Current Democratic leadership are spineless, feckless, and need to be called out on it.

These people are not owed their seats, if they continue to demonstrate that they cannot meet this moment, then they need to be primaried.
 

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Now here is a reasonable debate to have.

Is the best course of action to keep the government running or to allow it to shut down?

I suppose it's easy to say shut it down, but are the Dems willing to allow marginalised people and people suffering economically to suffer more to prove a point?

Would the long term gain of forcing Republicans to renegotiate outweigh the short term gain of easing the pain of people currently suffering?

These are the serious question they have to answer while we sit and armchair quarterback them.
 
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As if I care what people with a fake disorder claim :heh:

There is no such thing as transgenderism. You certainly can’t argue that their sex changed.

Hormone therapy to change your sex isn’t scientifically valid. The notion that it would delay certain aspects of puberty for other developmental disorders with legitimate sequelae is absolutely different...



No. This was a branding exercise in the 70s and 80s to legitimize their movement by grouping all of the sexual niche groups when in reality they had very little in common.

You dont even know your LGBTQ+ history, do you :sas1:


I do not give a shyt about “the entire movement"

You’re not even trying to be persuasive. These emotional appeals to status ranking isn’t working. You need to defend why "trans women” who are fortunate enough to “pass” (because most don’t) are entitled to use the women’s bathroom.


:snooze:

:sas2:

You know nothing about me.
You're not here to debate in good faith, you just want to deny reality and feel superior while spewing fake history and bad science. It's not my job to educate someone who proudly rejects facts, but trans people exist, their medical care is backed by every major health organization, and they've always been part of the LGBTQ+ movement. Your attempt to rewrite history won't change that. As for bathrooms, the only people proven to be a threat are the ones obsessing over where others pee. You're not making any realy point, you're just loudly making noise. And I'm an idiot for engaging with you for so long knowing this. I won't waste more time on someone who thinks arrogance is a substitute for an argument.

And I know you. I remember your reddit account "Successful Operation." You post like a paid astroturfer.
 
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Now here is a reasonable debate to have.

Is the best course of action to keep the government running or to allow it to shut down?

I suppose it's easy to say shut it down, but are the Dems willing to allow marginalised people and people suffering economically to suffer more to prove a point?

Would the long term gain of forcing Republicans to renegotiate outweigh the short term gain of easing the pain of people currently suffering?

These are the serious question they have to answer while we sit and armchair quarterback them.
It will also notably bypass the yearly appropriations process in which Congress directs how to allocate the funds, allowing the Trump administration and the Department of Government Efficiency wide leeway in deciding how money is spent.

Keeping it open on the back of a clean CR would be fine. Keeping it open on the terms set by Trump and the GOP would be a nightmare.
 

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This bill codify trumps cuts ::picard: how do a dem even fix they face to sign this shyt. fukk just voting, schumee cosigning a simple majority even worse. Even Chris Haynes want to call Schumer soft

 

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This thread means nothing when you are advocating for appeasement to those same forces. You want to help empower people like that, which will in turn hurt us all. Just as when you post content from "End Wokeness" and "LibOfTiktok." You are legitimatizing the same people who see us as less than human too, so get the fukk outta my face with that.
You’re more worried about the source than the content.

if a video or article comes from a conservative account, but not a liberal/progressive one, then you need to ask why liberals/progressives have a content-blind spot about issues that need to be addressed. You can’t editorialize the content therein.
States like Missouri and Florida have passed laws restricting or outright banning gender-affirming care for adults under certain conditions.
Examples?

This is about the youth.
Texas is targeting doctors and healthcare providers with threats of losing their licenses for providing treatment. You know how a chilling effect works? You pretending it's only about "the kids" is laughable given what you constantly post on here.
Yeah, of children.
Wrong again. Multiple states, including Florida, Arkansas, and Tennessee, have passed laws banning trans people from using bathrooms that match their gender identity in schools and public buildings. Violating these laws can lead to criminal charges, too. So again, they *are* banned in many areas.
Your gender identity is not your sex.
You're just regurgitating the same tired, debunked bullshyt. Sports organizations already regulate hormone levels. There is no wave of trans athletes dominating women's sports, and you know it.
Yeah, the Olympics, World Athletics and NCAA have pivoted ahead of you you there…

Isn't that about abusive, extremist parents who want to force them into conversion therapy? So California actually tried to protect kids from harm, unlike the states passing laws to take trans kids away from supportive families?
There is no such thing as trans kids. You keep missing this key point. You can’t treat a fake disorder.
I didn't lie. You just don't know what you're talking about. You came in here acting like you had facts and logic on your side, but all you've done is repeat the same garbage without engaging with a single counterpoint. You think being loud and fake-authoritative is an argument.

You keep proving it.



A trans activist has nothing to tell me on this issue.
 

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Now here is a reasonable debate to have.

Is the best course of action to keep the government running or to allow it to shut down?

I suppose it's easy to say shut it down, but are the Dems willing to allow marginalised people and people suffering economically to suffer more to prove a point?

Would the long term gain of forcing Republicans to renegotiate outweigh the short term gain of easing the pain of people currently suffering?

These are the serious question they have to answer while we sit and armchair quarterback them.
Dems need to crash out…and break the back board :lolbron:
 
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