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https://www.goerie.com/entertainmentlife/20190331/genealogist-finds-family-old-fashioned-way#

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Armed with research from DNA submission to ancestry.com and good old-fashioned research, an Erie woman traced her family’s roots.

The aroma of stewed apples and sausage quiche greets me as I step inside the Glenwood kitchen of Gwendolyn White, a civic leader known for her work with the United Way of Erie County, the Greater Erie Community Action Committee and the Erie County Convention Center Authority.

For more than three decades in her adopted hometown of Erie, White, 65, a native of Lexington, Kentucky, has helped to lift people out of poverty, encourage diversity and inclusion, foster a love of learning, and bring people together around Erie’s most pressing problems. Her commitment to service stems from her deeply held belief: we are our brother’s keeper.

She’s also the keeper of her family history, a role she was born to accept. “We stand on the shoulders of those who came before us, and there will be those who stand on our shoulders,” said White. “There is joy to be found in knowing who you are, where you came from, and what that means to future generations.”

Today, serving spoon in hand, she’s watching an episode of the PBS series “Finding Your Roots” in which Harvard scholar Henry Louis Gates presents former Speaker of the House Paul Ryan with some surprising news: based on his DNA and records from Ellis Island, he’s a descendant of Ashkenazi Jews and penniless immigrants from Germany and Bavaria. Ryan, who always thought of himself as Irish, just about fell over.

White’s genealogy journey includes a DNA submission to ancestry.com and good old-fashioned research to trace her family’s roots. It has led to some surprising discoveries, too.

Her grandfather, Cleve Singleton, was a mechanic with the Red Devils, the famed Tuskegee Airmen stationed in Italy during World War II.

Clues to a 1906 murder, an abandoned baby found near a Lexington slave auction, and the whereabouts of a long-lost cousin are stories waiting to unfold through careful detective work.

Listen: This day in history

White’s quest has taken her across the ocean to West Africa and back, to cemeteries, church basements, historical societies, courthouses, online databases, and family reunions where she records interviews with family elders and shares her latest finds in an exhibit she calls a “walking museum.”

Master memory maker

In West Africa, the name given to traveling storytellers who preserve ancestral voices, experiences, and traditions is “griot” (gree-oh). I can picture White in a kaftan woven with threads spun from her colorful past.

“It’s been my mission all along. Even as a 10-year-old I would take notes on scraps of paper and tuck them inside my diary,” said White, over steaming mugs of her favorite tea. “I was always interviewing family, friends, and neighbors looking for the human side of history. As the years went on, I found myself the holder of information that people in my family gave to me.”

In order to validate stories with facts, White devotes many evenings, weekends and vacations to what has become a second career. By day she works fulltime at Erie Insurance as an underwriting manager.

Given that her genealogy research fills dozens of binders and boxes and populates a formidable family tree on ancestry.com, I’m not sure when she finds time to sleep, let alone volunteer in the community. Still, she laments at the many missed opportunities to interview family members who’ve passed on.

Though White is exploring 11 different family lines, she’s narrowed her focus to her mother’s side of the family, the Gatewoods, for which she has a wealth of archival material and personal experience. The family will celebrate its 73rd reunion this summer.

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How accurate is familysearch? Im looking at a census from the mid-1800s of some of my ancestors and they're listed as "white" on there, but on ancestry.com for the same census; their race is blank/not mentioned:patrice:
 

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@xoxodede

How accurate is familysearch? Im looking at a census from the mid-1800s of some of my ancestors and they're listed as "white" on there, but on ancestry.com for the same census; their race is blank/not mentioned:patrice:

It's my favorite Genealogy search site. I don't like using Ancestry for searching.

And believe it or not -- some of our ancestors being listed as "White" is pretty common. The Census takes would just write in all types of wrong classifications back then. Especially, if they were light-brights.

I have a few who were listed as White on one census then the next they were Mulatto or they were listed as Black.

Were there anyone else in the Household with them? If so, what was there classification?

My advice would be check the next Census - like the 1880 or 1900 and see what they are classified as.
 

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It's my favorite Genealogy search site. I don't like using Ancestry for searching.

And believe it or not -- some of our ancestors being listed as "White" is pretty common. The Census takes would just write in all types of wrong classifications back then. Especially, if they were light-brights.


this is what I figured

I have a few who were listed as White on one census then the next they were Mulatto or they were listed as Black.

yup, I noticed this. The same people Im talking were listed as "black" by the 1920s


Were there anyone else in the Household with them? If so, what was there classification?

in the 1800 census, thir race isn't listed but later on I saw them listed as mulatto->negro

My advice would be check the next Census - like the 1880 or 1900 and see what they are classified as.

Cool. Also, Im stuck at 1817 and I can't seem to get back any further in this branch:sadcam:
 

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this is what I figured



yup, I noticed this. The same people Im talking were listed as "black" by the 1920s




in the 1800 census, thir race isn't listed but later on I saw them listed as mulatto->negro



Cool. Also, Im stuck at 1817 and I can't seem to get back any further in this branch:sadcam:


Tip:

On the Census that has the ancestor who is born in 1817. Open the Census record and look at the neighbors (other people listed on that page - the page before and the page after. Look for the same surname and if they are Black or Mulatto - do some searches on them.

The goal would be to find that ancestors parents or even siblings. If you find his sibiling - look at their records and death certs. Do that for all the Census records.

I have gotten past a few Brick walls this way - but you gotta put the research/time in researching neighbors and stuff. Since they usually all lived close - on the road or the road over.
 

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Tip:

On the Census that has the ancestor who is born in 1817. Open the Census record and look at the neighbors (other people listed on that page - the page before and the page after. Look for the same surname and if they are Black or Mulatto - do some searches on them.

Yup, I've been doing that

The goal would be to find that ancestors parents or even siblings. If you find his sibiling - look at their records and death certs. Do that for all the Census records.

this too

I have gotten past a few Brick walls this way - but you gotta put the research/time in researching neighbors and stuff. Since they usually all lived close - on the road or the road over.

I found an obituary with my maternal great grandma's, parents, names in it. The thing is, I put both names (husband + wife, but no maiden name) into the search and nothing is popping up:stopitslime:
 

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Yup, I've been doing that



this too



I found an obituary with my maternal great grandma's, parents, names in it. The thing is, I put both names (husband + wife, but no maiden name) into the search and nothing is popping up:stopitslime:

On the search for your Maternal GG parents -- just do the last name and the county, state they lived in. Then look through all the results. It could be misspellings that are throwing off the results.

Also, sign up for Newspapers.com - the free trial is like 7 days or more I think - just make sure to cancel before it's up -- and do searches on all your people in those towns.

The search feature is funky on Newspapers - but keep trying and working with it.

And if you want too - you can order death certificates from the county/or state your Maternal GG died -- see if they have the records and they will have their parents listed on there if they knew them.

It's usually $15 per record - get a money order and send. You can buy online but it's $35 per record.

On Ancestry - you could also use the Thru-lines feature if your tree is filled in. If may link you to other descendants - that may have the info.
 

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@IllmaticDelta on Newspapers be prepared to possibly find some crazy ish. I found a few on two of my 3rd Great Granddads where whites were trying to make them look like Uncle "good negro" and/or trying to pit them against their people.

Whites are just demonic.
 

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On the search for your Maternal GG parents -- just do the last name and the county, state they lived in. Then look through all the results. It could be misspellings that are throwing off the results.

I found her (my maternal grandma) father's WWI record:ehh:just now, doing what you said but I can't find his wife's history/record even though I know her maiden name:martin:. I noticed I've ran across 4 difference spellings on my maternal grandma's, mother's, first name:unimpressed::leostare:



Also, sign up for Newspapers.com - the free trial is like 7 days or more I think - just make sure to cancel before it's up -- and do searches on all your people in those towns.

The search feature is funky on Newspapers - but keep trying and working with it.

got it

And if you want too - you can order death certificates from the county/or state your Maternal GG died -- see if they have the records and they will have their parents listed on there if they knew them.

nice:ohhh:


It's usually $15 per record - get a money order and send. You can buy online but it's $35 per record.

On Ancestry - you could also use the Thru-lines feature if your tree is filled in. If may link you to other descendants - that may have the info.

I just ran across someone (unknown to me lol) working on my maternal grandma's, father's branch:whoo:
 

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I found her (my maternal grandma) father's WWI record:ehh:just now, doing what you said but I can't find his wife's history/record even though I know her maiden name:martin:. I noticed I've ran across 4 difference spellings on my maternal grandma's, mother's, first name:unimpressed::leostare:


I finally found it under her maiden name:banderas: Now, I need to check into her parents:ahh:
 

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So far I made it/traced back to free people of color ancestors in the 1790s (Virginia, Maryland and Delaware. The Delaware peeps are connected to the "Nanticoke Moors":jbhmm:), and stumbled across 3 ancestors who were Civil War vets. Also the grandpa I was talking about in this post/thread

My maternal grandparents:

grandpa = born South Carolina/ raised New Jersey (he had no accent)

grandma = Virginia/Maryland born and raised (she had a twang more than a drawl)

Their daughter--->My Mom is/was born and raised in the Bronx. Has a NY accent



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my paternal grandparents

grandma = South Carolina born and raised (she sounds country with a drawl)

grandpa = North Carolina, South Carolina and Florida (he sounds country with a drawl)

Their son--->my father was born and grew up in South Carolina; came to Harlem when he was 9. Has a mixed NYC/Southern sound when compared to my mom


me = born and raised in NY...no accent

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/ados-ppl-in-non-southern-states.738284/page-4#post-37203731

Wasn't born in the South; he was born in Manhattan! (later, raised in Jersey):leon:......I haven't got too far back yet in his branches but so far, his roots are still mainly South Carolina and some from Maryland that I never knew about.
 
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