Game Of Thrones: Season 3 SPOILERS WELCOMED THREAD

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Rereading some of these scenes after watching the tv show just highlights just how much fluff is in some of the chapters. A lot of the chapters are nothing but pages of clothing and food descriptions and very little story advancement. I get tired of reading just how ornate someones robe is and every fabric its made of.
 

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Rereading some of these scenes after watching the tv show just highlights just how much fluff is in some of the chapters. A lot of the chapters are nothing but pages of clothing and food descriptions and very little story advancement. I get tired of reading just how ornate someones robe is and every fabric its made of.

that shyt is important to understanding how much richer some of these families are than the common folk. It's easy to do in film, i mean take a look at how joffery dresses compared to a Robb Stark, its easy to see dude is ballin and easy to see that the Starks aren't doing bad....but its like the difference between nikka rich and richard branson rich...
 

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that shyt is important to understanding how much richer some of these families are than the common folk. It's easy to do in film, i mean take a look at how joffery dresses compared to a Robb Stark, its easy to see dude is ballin and easy to see that the Starks aren't doing bad....but its like the difference between nikka rich and richard branson rich...

I knew the Lannisters were rich from the first book. Some of this is unneeded. I know how the white cloaks of the kings guard look, stop describing it every time one shows up. It's like every sentence needs 5 adjectives describing something.

I've turned to skimming past paragraphs describing food and garb, now these chapters are less draining.
 

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I knew the Lannisters were rich from the first book. Some of this is unneeded. I know how the white cloaks of the kings guard look, stop describing it every time one shows up. It's like every sentence needs 5 adjectives describing something.

I've turned to skimming past paragraphs describing food and garb, now these chapters are less draining.

Nothing, and I repeat, nothing is worse than him describing food during a feast. That shyt will go on for 10+ pages with a paragraph dedicated to each dish. I love me some food, but that shyt gets to be too much. Forgot who it was on :hamster: but they did a perfect mock up of one of those paragraphs.

@amaury136 I completely agree with them fukking up Robs character. His outcome is so transparent on the show to me and everybody else. In the other thread everybody pretty much called that Rob's getting got before the seasons over. Reading the book I had optism that Rob was gonna come out a lil banged up but make it longer than he did. The Red Wedding left me shell shocked when it happened. While the reaction will be entertaining, I don't think it will be quite the same. They did a great job with Ned's death. I really want to see if they can pull it off again, but they gotta do a better job setting it up. Better really play up the importance of getting some food as a guest or something.
 
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I just realized that they might show Ayra seeing the red wedding (she might look through a window or something). I think that might be a nice little addition and gives her more motivation to go to Bravos and learn from the faceless men. I never got why she didn't just go to wall to meet up with jon anyway? That was her favorite brother.
 

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I just realized that they might show Ayra seeing the red wedding (she might look through a window or something). I think that might be a nice little addition and gives her more motivation to got to Bravos and learn from the faceless men. I never got why she didn't just go to wall to meet up with jon anyway? That was her favorite brother.

that would be sad as fukk if she sees it :to:
 

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Nothing, and I repeat, nothing is worse than him describing food during a feast. That shyt will go on for 10+ pages with a paragraph dedicated to each dish. I love me some food, but that shyt gets to be too much. Forgot who it was on :hamster: but they did a perfect mock up of one of those paragraphs.

@amaury136 I completely agree with them fukking up Robs character. His outcome is so transparent on the show to me and everybody else. In the other thread everybody pretty much called that Rob's getting got before the seasons over. Reading the book I had optism that Rob was gonna come out a lil banged up but make it longer than he did. The Red Wedding left me shell shocked when it happened. While the reaction will be entertaining, I don't think it will be quite the same. They did a great job with Ned's death. I really want to see if they can pull it off again, but they gotta do a better job setting it up. Better really play up the importance of getting some food as a guest or something.

I dont know, in the books they repeatedly kept stating how Walder Frey was not to be trusted and he never forgets slights. Then people kept saying how he won every battle but he lost the war by marrying that new chick, i mean it was repeated a lot. I knew something bad was about to pop off.

I knew Walder was a bytch when Robb had to promise to marry one of his daughters just to cross the bridge. Why did he have to do that when the Freys are supposed to be bannermen of the Tullys? Why couldnt he just cross for free?
 
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I dont know, in the books they repeatedly kept stating how Walder Frey was not to be trusted and he never forgets slights. Then people kept saying how he won every battle but he lost the war by marrying that new chick, i mean it was repeated a lot. I knew something bad was about to pop off.

I knew Walder was a bytch when Robb had to promise to marry one of his daughters just to cross the bridge. Why did he have to do that when the Freys are supposed to be bannermen of the Tullys? Why couldnt he just cross for free?

Because Walder Frey know that he can pawn his daughters off to powerful lords by continuing to hold that bridge. Its not so much as cross for free as it is "I don't want my enemies to cross for free"

No one likes or trusts Freys in Westeros even before RW the name was synonymous with shiftyness. Banners and oaths only mean as much as the people who keep them, and as long as Walder Frey holds the most important river crossing in Westeros people have to "respect" him and his house rules.... :yeshrug:
 

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Because Walder Frey know that he can pawn his daughters off to powerful lords by continuing to hold that bridge. Its not so much as cross for free as it is "I don't want my enemies to cross for free"

No one likes or trusts Freys in Westeros even before RW the name was synonymous with shiftyness. Banners and oaths only mean as much as the people who keep them, and as long as Walder Frey holds the most important river crossing in Westeros people have to "respect" him and his house rules.... :yeshrug:

So whats the point of calling the Freys your bannermen if they not really gonna help you?

Starks and Tullys shoulda been pulled his card......way back before there was a war. How you gonna let someone you dont trust hold the only bridge in town? I woulda built another bridge on further down and dared him to say something. Its not like The Twins are close enough to another kingdom to ask for help. Frey woulda been shook because Ned had Storm's End on his side too.
 

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So whats the point of calling the Freys your bannermen if they not really gonna help you?

Starks and Tullys shoulda been pulled his card......way back before there was a war. How you gonna let someone you dont trust hold the only bridge in town? I woulda built another bridge on further down and dared him to say something. Its not like The Twins are close enough to another kingdom to ask for help. Frey woulda been shook because Ned had Storm's End on his side too.

Not that simple, remember this is a world ran by TRADITION up until now. The Freys were wardens of the Twins since BEFORE the Tullys even ran the riverlands. As old as Walder is the Freys before him never gave the Riverlands nor the North any reason to think that the Freys would jump stupid. And again you build another bridge, you spite the Freys...you spite the Freys you spite all the little lords and ladies that have been married off and fostered in the 7 Kingdoms.

You really think nikkas wanna deal with Frey guilting the whole 7 kingdoms into a war over spite?....which is exactly how petty Walder is... at one point there was a Frey in damn near every kingdom attached to some lord or knight, Walder gets in a scrap, the ties of blood would just about FORCE many of those lords to declare for Frey.


Chess.
Not.
Checkers. :ufdup:
 

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Not that simple, remember this is a world ran by TRADITION up until now. The Freys were wardens of the Twins since BEFORE the Tullys even ran the riverlands. As old as Walder is the Freys before him never gave the Riverlands nor the North any reason to think that the Freys would jump stupid. And again you build another bridge, you spite the Freys...you spite the Freys you spite all the little lords and ladies that have been married off and fostered in the 7 Kingdoms.

You really think nikkas wanna deal with Frey guilting the whole 7 kingdoms into a war over spite?....which is exactly how petty Walder is... at one point there was a Frey in damn near every kingdom attached to some lord or knight, Walder gets in a scrap, the ties of blood would just about FORCE many of those lords to declare for Frey.


Chess.
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Checkers. :ufdup:

1. Westeros was traditionally 7 different kingdoms with 7 different kings. Aegon didnt care about none of that. So bye bye tradition.

2. The history says the Freys are one of the younger houses in Westeros and the Tullys ran Riverrun and the surrounding land way before the Freys came up. So you know if the Freys have people married off in other kingdoms the much older houses do to.

3. Seems like everyone says Walder Frey is a bytch though so who would be running up to help him? If he treats the people above him like shyt then you know he crapping on the banners beneath him. Plus it's said the Freys are known to wait around in a war to see who is gonna win then jump to their side all late in the game, thats exactly what they did during Robert's war. You gonna let some shifty dudes like that control a bridge that important? The 1st time i called my banners and they showed up late to the party i would have gone to see about them after the war.

4. Nobody was gonna run up to help the Freys fight the Starks, Tullys, Baratheons, and Arryns. Thats 4 of the 7 great houses who had strong ties to one another, not on some 3rd cousin from a great grandchild shyt. His land was surrounded on all sides by people he pissed off. Cats from Dorn and the Reach aren't gonna march all the way north to fight for some bridge they will never see.
 

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1. Westeros was traditionally 7 different kingdoms with 7 different kings. Aegon didnt care about none of that. So bye bye tradition.

2. The history says the Freys are one of the younger houses in Westeros and the Tullys ran Riverrun and the surrounding land way before the Freys came up. So you know if the Freys have people married off in other kingdoms the much older houses do to.

3. Seems like everyone says Walder Frey is a bytch though so who would be running up to help him? If he treats the people above him like shyt then you know he crapping on the banners beneath him. Plus it's said the Freys are known to wait around in a war to see who is gonna win then jump to their side all late in the game, thats exactly what they did during Robert's war. You gonna let some shifty dudes like that control a bridge that important? The 1st time i called my banners and they showed up late to the party i would have gone to see about them after the war.

4. Nobody was gonna run up to help the Freys fight the Starks, Tullys, Baratheons, and Arryns. Thats 4 of the 7 great houses who had strong ties to one another, not on some 3rd cousin from a great grandchild shyt. His land was surrounded on all sides by people he pissed off. Cats from Dorn and the Reach aren't gonna march all the way north to fight for some bridge they will never see.

1. That was 300 years before the rebellion..still tradition prevails.

2. The Tullys are an older house but they aint got that guap like the Freys got think of the Lannisters like China and the Freys like Taiwan...no where near the money of the Lannisters but still pissing them off takes away a thousand knights and a very large source of financial backing.

3. The Freys BUILT the Twins, it wasn't commissioned it wasn't a duty...THEY MADE IT. It belongs to THEM, so its not about "letting them control it". You take that bridge from the Freys and you make all the other lords in your camp thing that you will seize THEIR lands and castles at will. That would eviscerate morale in your camp and most likely cause others to turn to another banner.

4. While your strongest point, you forget that Walder Frey has over 100 children and grandchildren, all it takes is one slip up with them, or one smart kid and a lord COULD declare for the Twins...its the Panama Canal of Westeros. Its such an important location geographically that even building something near it is offensive to the Freys way of life and could start a war by itsself which is why it hasnt happened yet.
 

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Man, I'm with @The_Sheff

fukk the Freys. Late Lord Frey, Lame Lothar, Black Walder Frey, all of them

He must have an ill amount of manpower. I remember Catlyn saying no one has ever crossed without paying whatever price Frey wanted.
 
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Man, I'm with @The_Sheff

fukk the Freys. Late Lord Frey, Lame Lothar, Black Walder Frey, all of them

He must have an ill amount of manpower. I remember Catlyn saying no one has ever crossed without paying whatever price Frey wanted.

like him or not its a truth....look at what happened.
 
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I dont know, in the books they repeatedly kept stating how Walder Frey was not to be trusted and he never forgets slights. Then people kept saying how he won every battle but he lost the war by marrying that new chick, i mean it was repeated a lot. I knew something bad was about to pop off.

I knew Walder was a bytch when Robb had to promise to marry one of his daughters just to cross the bridge. Why did he have to do that when the Freys are supposed to be bannermen of the Tullys? Why couldnt he just cross for free?

When he showed up with Jeyne, I, like everybody else, was looking at him like :ufdup:. Yeah everybody knew Frey was a shady, bitter, hoeass nikka, but it was moreso on some "fukk you, I ain't helping you fight, and you can't use my bridge either, ya bish!" :smugfavre: type vindictiveness. Not "Ya moms, the dog, everybody dying, no lying" type. I know the way a nikka living was wack, but you don't get a nikka back like that. :huhldup:



Plus throughout the books GRRM had established the hospitality rules, so we as readers knew how important it was when Cat managed to secure that snack for the group. Everybody, characters and readers alike, were like :whew: once she secured that meal. It's these subtle details that he planted throughout the series that make major events like the RW so impactful. We're not really getting that on the show.

Some of it I'm sure is due to time constraints, some because it's hard to translate to video medium. I saw how a few people in the other thread were complaining about the first 2 eps this season being filler, not realizing how some of those seemingly minor events will have big implications in the future. TV crowd in general is just much more impatient than a book reading crowd, so I guess quite a bit of it can be attributed to that also. Overall they do a good job, but I think Rob's situation could have been handled a little better. We still have what, 5 eps before shyt goes down, so they still have time to pull it together.
 
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