Game of Thrones - "House Of The Dragon" Official Threads (NO SPOILERS....ZERO)

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Can someone explain to me the logic behind the behavioral development of Alicent's children?
Rhaenyra's children were all born out of love and desire. She had three with Harwin whom she loved, and more with Daemon, whom she also loves.

Alicent's children were out of obligation and duty. Every time we saw her as a young mother, she looked bewildered and burdened, bouncing crying babies while she looked off in the distance.

Rhaenyra can look at every one of her children and remember the face of their father and reminisce about the passionate lovemaking that led to the conception. Alicent looks at her kids and remembers being called into the chamber of an old man leaking puss, and getting pounded while rats ran across the ceiling. I think this plays a part in why Rhaenyra is so loving with her kids, and while Alicent tries to be patient and loving with hers, there is a disconnect and anger from within.

King Viserys was also not very present in the lives of Alicent's children, both because he was busy with being a King, and because he was deteriorating from sickness. But the biggest failure in his parenting is he never truly loved them the way he loved Rhaenyra because he realizes they came from Otto scheming on his pain, while Rhaenyra came from the love of his life.

The entire reason he named Rhaenyra heir and would never truly consider giving it to Aegon, is because he still felt guilty for killing the love of his life, and wanted to absolve himself of the pain and guilt by being choosing Rhaenyra as his successor. In episode 8 while on milk of the poppy, he even calls Rhaenyra his "only child," this after he mistakenly called Alicent by his first wife's name in the previous episode.

The parental figures for Alicent's children are thus a barely present Viserys who they don't believe actually loves them, Criston Cole, Otto Hightower, and Alicent herself. And what has Alicent been instilling in them since birth? That Rhaenyra will one day kill them. This has led Aegon to drinking himself to sleep as a teenager,and Aemond into hating his b*stard nephews. Her fear and hatred was passed on to them, along with a burden that Aegon doesn't want.

She and Otto both slapped Aegon around for not being dutiful and good, and that is basically the extent of their parenting. And while she can't see herself in Aegon slipping into drinking and whoring and deviancy to cope, we as the viewer should be able to remember how she self harmed as a youngin to cope with the anxiety that came with the duty forced on her by her father.

Alicent being pious publicly really has no bearing on how her kids end up....just like real life.
 

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Can someone explain to me the logic behind the behavioral development of Alicent's children?

Seems to be a major plot hole to me.

Aegon and Aemond seem to have that deranged trait like Joffrey. But how did they get there? Alicent is pious and Viscerys is studious. Both have balanced personalities.

Compared to Rhaeneyra's children, who all are normal?

If anything, the behaviors should flipped. With Laenor galavanting off with his lover, in and out of the picture, with whispers of them being b*stards, it seems like the Strong children would've acted out more? And because Laenor was not around, they would not have had a strong disciplinarian figure in place to check them.

But Alicent's children are the sexual deviants and soon-to-be be killers? I'm not seeing the progression.

And I'm not seeing the mad Targaryen trait angle because Viscerys was not crazy and neither was his uncle or whoever the King was before him.
Rhae's kids actually grew up with a foundation - between Rhae focusing on being a mom, Laenor being there for them, Harwin Strong playing that uncle role, and then a mature Daemon sliding in at the end when all he wanted to do was chill and be a family man.

Viserys was too sick and emotionally checked out to be any kind of a real dad and Alicent basically did to Aegon what Otto did to her (nudging her into seducing Viserys in her dead mothers dress :dead: ) - pressuring him about this "inevitable conflict" that's coming with his sister and how the realm is dependent on him, forcing him to marry his other sister, etc all that did was push him towards drinking and whoring.

Aemond had a chip on his shoulder over not having a dragon, so once he got Vhagar and lost his eye he fully committed to training and being that muscle for the Greens.
 

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Rhaenyra's children were all born out of love and desire. She had three with Harwin whom she loved, and more with Daemon, whom she also loves.

Alicent's children were out of obligation and duty. Every time we saw her as a young mother, she looked bewildered and burdened, bouncing crying babies while she looked off in the distance.

Rhaenyra can look at every one of her children and remember the face of their father and reminisce about the passionate lovemaking that led to the conception. Alicent looks at her kids and remembers being called into the chamber of an old man leaking puss, and getting pounded while rats ran across the ceiling. I think this plays a part in why Rhaenyra is so loving with her kids, and while Alicent tries to be patient and loving with hers, there is a disconnect and anger from within.

King Viserys was also not very present in the lives of Alicent's children, both because he was busy with being a King, and because he was deteriorating from sickness. But the biggest failure in his parenting is he never truly loved them the way he loved Rhaenyra because he realizes they came from Otto scheming on his pain, while Rhaenyra came from the love of his life.

The entire reason he named Rhaenyra heir and would never truly consider giving it to Aegon, is because he still felt guilty for killing the love of his life, and wanted to absolve himself of the pain and guilt by being choosing Rhaenyra as his successor. In episode 8 while on milk of the poppy, he even calls Rhaenyra his "only child," this after he mistakenly called Alicent by his first wife's name in the previous episode.

The parental figures for Alicent's children are thus a barely present Viserys who they don't believe actually loves them, Criston Cole, Otto Hightower, and Alicent herself. And what has Alicent been instilling in them since birth? That Rhaenyra will one day kill them. This has led Aegon to drinking himself to sleep as a teenager,and Aemond into hating his b*stard nephews. Her fear and hatred was passed on to them, along with a burden that Aegon doesn't want.

She and Otto both slapped Aegon around for not being dutiful and good, and that is basically the extent of their parenting. And while she can't see herself in Aegon slipping into drinking and whoring and deviancy to cope, we as the viewer should be able to remember how she self harmed as a youngin to cope with the anxiety that came with the duty forced on her by her father.

Alicent being pious publicly really has no bearing on how her kids end up....just like real life.
TopTier post +Rep :wow::wow::wow:
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Targaryen madness isn't really a thing if you look at the total history of their house and family. It's like 4 or 5 people in the entire 300+ year period of Targaryen Westerosi history as having gone mad. But the same can be said for other houses. And it's not like it's present in every generation. Jaehaerys had 9 living kids and none of them were "insane." Aegon and his sister wives weren't insane. Their first son Aenys wasn't insane. They have good and bad family members like every other house. Some of them indeed go mad but it's almost always because of trauma of some kind that could send anyone off the deep end. Even The Mad King Areys was normal for most of his life but went through two very traumatic experiences over a long period of time that led him down the road of madness.

The flip a coin thing was emphasized more in the show as setup for Dany, but the truth is its not a 50/50 flip on Targaryen madness. It's moreso any given Targaryen ruler has the chance to be a tyrant or just, and since they have dragons, the tyrant has the power of burning entire kingdoms to the ground if he so pleases. So the realm is constantly on edge because they never know if their next dragon overload will be kind of cruel. But even if a Targaryen uses their dragon to wipe out entire houses, that's not necessarily madness. Tywin did that to house Rayne and almost did it to House Stark and no one considers him insane.

Rhaenyra's children were all born out of love and desire. She had three with Harwin whom she loved, and more with Daemon, whom she also loves.

Alicent's children were out of obligation and duty. Every time we saw her as a young mother, she looked bewildered and burdened, bouncing crying babies while she looked off in the distance.

Rhaenyra can look at every one of her children and remember the face of their father and reminisce about the passionate lovemaking that led to the conception. Alicent looks at her kids and remembers being called into the chamber of an old man leaking puss, and getting pounded while rats ran across the ceiling. I think this plays a part in why Rhaenyra is so loving with her kids, and while Alicent tries to be patient and loving with hers, there is a disconnect and anger from within.

King Viserys was also not very present in the lives of Alicent's children, both because he was busy with being a King, and because he was deteriorating from sickness. But the biggest failure in his parenting is he never truly loved them the way he loved Rhaenyra because he realizes they came from Otto scheming on his pain, while Rhaenyra came from the love of his life.

The entire reason he named Rhaenyra heir and would never truly consider giving it to Aegon, is because he still felt guilty for killing the love of his life, and wanted to absolve himself of the pain and guilt by being choosing Rhaenyra as his successor. In episode 8 while on milk of the poppy, he even calls Rhaenyra his "only child," this after he mistakenly called Alicent by his first wife's name in the previous episode.

The parental figures for Alicent's children are thus a barely present Viserys who they don't believe actually loves them, Criston Cole, Otto Hightower, and Alicent herself. And what has Alicent been instilling in them since birth? That Rhaenyra will one day kill them. This has led Aegon to drinking himself to sleep as a teenager,and Aemond into hating his b*stard nephews. Her fear and hatred was passed on to them, along with a burden that Aegon doesn't want.

She and Otto both slapped Aegon around for not being dutiful and good, and that is basically the extent of their parenting. And while she can't see herself in Aegon slipping into drinking and whoring and deviancy to cope, we as the viewer should be able to remember how she self harmed as a youngin to cope with the anxiety that came with the duty forced on her by her father.

Alicent being pious publicly really has no bearing on how her kids end up....just like real life.

Well stated. I see you. :ehh:
 

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Rhaenyra's children were all born out of love and desire. She had three with Harwin whom she loved, and more with Daemon, whom she also loves.

Alicent's children were out of obligation and duty. Every time we saw her as a young mother, she looked bewildered and burdened, bouncing crying babies while she looked off in the distance.

Rhaenyra can look at every one of her children and remember the face of their father and reminisce about the passionate lovemaking that led to the conception. Alicent looks at her kids and remembers being called into the chamber of an old man leaking puss, and getting pounded while rats ran across the ceiling. I think this plays a part in why Rhaenyra is so loving with her kids, and while Alicent tries to be patient and loving with hers, there is a disconnect and anger from within.

King Viserys was also not very present in the lives of Alicent's children, both because he was busy with being a King, and because he was deteriorating from sickness. But the biggest failure in his parenting is he never truly loved them the way he loved Rhaenyra because he realizes they came from Otto scheming on his pain, while Rhaenyra came from the love of his life.

The entire reason he named Rhaenyra heir and would never truly consider giving it to Aegon, is because he still felt guilty for killing the love of his life, and wanted to absolve himself of the pain and guilt by being choosing Rhaenyra as his successor. In episode 8 while on milk of the poppy, he even calls Rhaenyra his "only child," this after he mistakenly called Alicent by his first wife's name in the previous episode.

The parental figures for Alicent's children are thus a barely present Viserys who they don't believe actually loves them, Criston Cole, Otto Hightower, and Alicent herself. And what has Alicent been instilling in them since birth? That Rhaenyra will one day kill them. This has led Aegon to drinking himself to sleep as a teenager,and Aemond into hating his b*stard nephews. Her fear and hatred was passed on to them, along with a burden that Aegon doesn't want.

She and Otto both slapped Aegon around for not being dutiful and good, and that is basically the extent of their parenting. And while she can't see herself in Aegon slipping into drinking and whoring and deviancy to cope, we as the viewer should be able to remember how she self harmed as a youngin to cope with the anxiety that came with the duty forced on her by her father.

Alicent being pious publicly really has no bearing on how her kids end up....just like real life.
Quality post. Repped. :ehh:
 
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