Gallup Poll: 69% ‼️ of Americans say trans 🏳️‍⚧️ athletes should ONLY be able to play on teams "that match their birth gender" - 📈⬆️ 7%+ from 2021! 😳

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Why?

You asked a bunch of questions about my proximity to trans people as if it matters. They're losing on this issue and your response is to ask more questions.

Let me ask you one: Where is the proof of a biological underpinning of a disorder or condition that makes someone trans.
I don't know and I don't care :yeshrug: How is this relevant? Now explain to me how this is an issue that needs to be discussed and why time and money needs to spend on preventing trans people from playing sports in teams that don't match their gender assigned at birth? Where are the numbers, how often does this happen? How many trans people are there, how many of them are playing sports in a professional or semi-professional capacity? How does this affect the wellbeing of the average citizen?

You know why these polls changed the way they did? Because reactionaries decided to make it an issue and pretended that it was a problem. They then started constantly speaking about it and conservative media outlets gave them a platform. Then centrist outlets, being the idiots that they are, picked it up and said, conservatives are speaking about it, so it must be an issue, we should have an open minded debate about this and hear their opinions. Now people who couldn't care less about this shyt two years ago got the impression that it is a real problem, but they neither have the time nor the interest to look into it, so when a pollster comes along and asks them what they think about transgender playing sports they say "I don't know, it seems to be a problem so maybe they shouldn't do it". Then the same fukking media that gave the issue salience and created the impression that this is a real peoblem prints these numbers and says "people think it's a problem", without reflecting or mentioning their own role in this retarded debate.
 

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I don't know and I don't care :yeshrug: How is this relevant? Now explain to me how this is an issue that needs to be discussed and why time and money needs to spend on preventing trans people from playing sports in teams that don't match their gender assigned at birth? Where are the numbers, how often does this happen? How many trans people are there, how many of them are playing sports in a professional or semi-professional capacity? How does this affect the wellbeing of the average citizen?

You know why these polls changed the way they did? Because reactionaries decided to make it an issue and pretended that it was a problem. They then started constantly speaking about it and conservative media outlets gave them a platform. Then centrist outlets, being the idiots that they are, picked it up and said, conservatives are speaking about it, so it must be an issue, we should have an open minded debate about this and hear their opinions. Now people who couldn't care less about this shyt two years ago got the impression that it is a real problem, but they neither have the time nor the interest to look into it, so when a pollster comes along and asks them what they think about transgender playing sports they say "I don't know, it seems to be a problem so maybe they shouldn't do it". Then the same fukking media that gave the issue salience and created the impression that this is a real peoblem prints these numbers and says "people think it's a problem", without reflecting or mentioning their own role in this retarded debate.

You dont see this as an issue. Why so many questions?
 

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You see this as an issue, why do you have no answer?
I do not see being trans as biologically legitimate with any supporting medical etiology or mechanism to explain it other than a social contagion designed to cater to weak minded people about clashes of personal identity and narcissism.

Being gay is an act. Being trans is, apparently, an identity.

Being gay doesn't hurt or bother me like being trans doesn't hurt or bother me. However, theres nothing suggesting that you can be trans and so, I dispute its claims that children are trans.

mind you, before surgery became rampant in the 70s there was no legitimization of trans issues. It was all costume.

Notice how none of these trans actors never dress as ... say... conservative muslims :heh:
 

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@karim Let me clear this up for you. I don't need a republican panic (because they panic and over-correct on everything) to tell me that this issue is bullshyt. You're falling for the bait if you can't independently assess the legitimacy of this nonsense without thinking you're giving republicans a winning argument. It's too late. Democrats are turning against it too.
 

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women vs dudes in permanent drag who would of thought that....
 

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I do not see being trans as biologically legitimate with any supporting medical etiology or mechanism to explain it other than a social contagion designed to cater to weak minded people about clashes of personal identity and narcissism.

Being gay is an act. Being trans is, apparently, an identity.

Being gay doesn't hurt or bother me like being trans doesn't hurt or bother me. However, theres nothing suggesting that you can be trans and so, I dispute its claims that children are trans.

mind you, before surgery became rampant in the 70s there was no legitimization of trans issues. It was all costume.

Notice how none of these trans actors never dress as ... say... conservative muslims :heh:
@karim Let me clear this up for you. I don't need a republican panic (because they panic and over-correct on everything) to tell me that this issue is bullshyt. You're falling for the bait if you can't independently assess the legitimacy of this nonsense without thinking you're giving republicans a winning argument. It's too late. Democrats are turning against it too.
First off, you're still dodging my questions and didn't give me any numbers as to how this is a relevant discussion.

Second, you don't know shyt about biology. And even if you think it's strictly psychological, which is not supprted by scientific evidence, there are people affected by this condition. They exist, and you didn't bring any argument explaining why society benefits from ostrazising them, portraing them as a threat and making their lifes miserable.

You're falling for the bait giving this outsized importance. And democrats are turning against it, because they are run by idiot centrists who, even seven years after the election of Donald Trump, are apparently mentally incapable of grasping that conservatives are bad faith actors.
 

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First off, you're still dodging my questions and didn't give me any numbers as to how this is a relevant discussion.

Second, you don't know shyt about biology. And even if you think it's strictly psychological, which is not supprted by scientific evidence, there are people affected by this condition. They exist, and you didn't bring any argument explaining why society benefits from ostrazising them, portraing them as a threat and making their lifes miserable.

You're falling for the bait giving this outsized importance. And democrats are turning against it, because they are run by idiot centrists who, even seven years after the election of Donald Trump, are apparently mentally incapable of grasping that conservatives are bad faith actors.
I had offers to start a PhD in microbiology. You don’t know me.

The debate isn’t whether or not they exist nor am I challenging their right to exist. I challenge the legitimacy of their self proclaimed ailment. And again you’re making a sleight of hand. No one said anything about value of criticizing them. I said that their imposition raises the need for boundaries that they themselves have to live with as a consequence of their fake mental disorder kept alive by ambitious surgeries and threats of self harm if we don’t capitulate to their self delusions of dysphoria.

Stop complaining about importance. My stance on the issue stands. It’s illegitimate. If adults want to butcher themselves based on stylized memes of what they think the opposite gender is? Fair game. Have fun. Leave children out of your fake illness.
 

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Two words. First is bull and the second is shyt. :camby: If the population of the data was from San Franciso, I'll be believe it. If not........nope.
 

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This is another new poll from 7 days ago:

Even a majority of democrats want to know if their kids are changing genders and not telling the parents:


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