FYI, the whole alpha male thing is a myth made up from erroneous ecological research on wolves

[Stir Fry]

Also @RhapSaDiddy look at this bullshyt dogset helped to unleash

Another case of what we read on the net, vs what I see in real life

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

I thought this was common knowledge and people were just trolling with pop cultural references...my old anthropology professor is gonna have a ball with this one

The myth was based on a study conducted by observing wolf behavior in captivity over 3-4 decades ago. Animal behaviorists couldn’t replicate the findings during observations of wolves in the wild.Because animals act differently in captivity than in the wild...

That’s because in the wild, these hierarchies actually serve no purpose. Wolves roam in family packs. There’s a male and a female leader who exert social dominance over their pups and protect each other and their territory. That’s it. Displays of social dominance are primarily correlated with keeping your kids in line. Not forming hierarchies.

To extrapolate myths of these dynamics from groups in captivity or under duress...to human mate behavior
What purpose does this serve?

Also people need a better understanding of what it means to be a leader. In between my giggles, I can’t help but think that it’s sad that these myths resonate with so many due to the way we are socialized.

 

[HARLEM AL]

No it isnt, its real, use your eyes common sense and street smarts they not lying to you

i dont know why people are trying to hard to “disprove” something that has existed from the beginning of time, its not happening

I really don’t get it either.

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

Me either. That’s how I know it’s spillover from the cacosphere.

I never heard of this alpha shyt until I came across 'the misc' while browsing through bb.com
around 2012; coincidentally right around the time these corny shyt posters start popping up on every black or black adjacent message board, driving down the quality of the site.


it had to be one of the top breeding grounds for that alt-right, incel shyt and their hero was some deceased roid head indian name Aziz. they couldnt shut up about him and were constantly using what I assumed were his catchphrases. nikkas telling each other "you lookin joocy as fuark brah" "yo alpha gang checkin in" and constantly obsessing over muscle cars and defined jawlines thinking it would get them more bytches. One thing I will admit that used to have me cracking the fukk up was calling these yoked up hobbit nikkas manlets. ironically most of them were manlets themselves.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

If we're being honest this whole alpha/beta male thing arose from the decadence of this system of modern day capitalism. The alpha male archetype is really just a cool term for psychopath. And lot of the CEOs and elites we admire so much have psychopathic traits. Our obsession with "alpha" males is the end result of individualism taken to its highest extreme. Societies eventually erode when such types of people rule. It isn't sustainable.

In truth humans, in our natural element are a rather docile, laid back and cooperative species. In many primitive tribes such people with these psychopathic traits were admonished from the group because even they recognize the danger they posed. In some cases they were out right snuffed out with a rock to the back of the head or a spear to the chest.

if that were the case times have changed now
sociopathic/psychopathic traits run society combined with a bunch of people trying to emulate them because they think that's what they're supposed to do

 

[philmonroe]

I'm asking because perspective is just one part of what makes up the facts and it can often be skewed and completely false because of life experience. Data and study allow for more detail and can remove the bias we all deal with because of our personal experience.

People thought the earth was flat because of perspective, we know it's a sphere because of science and data.

I've googled this several times and for a talking point that's been used since the 70s its interesting that all the definitive studies I've read about it point to it being false.

But believe what you want, if there is a true human study that isn't based on some guy trying to sell some marketing tool please post it. I'd like to read it.

I've already said that you need both. I'm just saying when you and others are like just show me the link its like fam do you have any experience offline? You see this play out in dang near every group/setting of people in similar ways and you don't need a fukking google article or study to tell you everything. It doesn't remove bias because people oftentimes bring their bias into studies are you serious? Now on some 1+1=2 yeah no bias but stuff that can have bias yeah fukking right. You like googling yi can google that. Lastly no stuff I can believe what I want just like you so I never get the point of that saying. This just messageboard discussion.

 

[philmonroe]

We all not a monolith, breh. Plus, the word is so useful. Was the only breh in my undergrad history department's graduating class, heard those history honor society nerd cacs use the above mentioned words, like all the fukking time. To borrow a cac phrase, "that shyt really grinds my gears."

Who said we were a monolith breh? I just know what type of black person uses that term Ye shrug.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Not giving a fukk alone makes you alpha. The majority of people care what others think. That separates you. The OP cares that people thinks he’s a bytch. Therefore he made this goofy ass thread.

Lol you caught feels though. I think that makes you the bytch.

 

[Losttribe]

[QUOTE="philmonroe, post: 40936203, member: You see it in dang near every group. [/QUOTE]
Yeah beta and alpha is the terms society gave it but

The reality of it is true. And the weakest among us are constantly trying to say it isn't true.

 

[Rhyme n Tekniq]

growing up, shyt was simply called just being a man.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

If we're being honest this whole alpha/beta male thing arose from the decadence of this system of modern day capitalism. The alpha male archetype is really just a cool term for psychopath. And lot of the CEOs and elites we admire so much have psychopathic traits. Our obsession with "alpha" males is the end result of individualism taken to its highest extreme. Societies eventually erode when such types of people rule. It isn't sustainable.

In truth humans, in our natural element are a rather docile, laid back and cooperative species. In many primitive tribes such people with these psychopathic traits were admonished from the group because even they recognize the danger they posed. In some cases they were out right snuffed out with a rock to the back of the head or a spear to the chest.

Yep. In fact, early human migration and expansion began not due to human desire to conquer others or due to a penchant for violence, but due to humans trying to get away from groups that displayed psychopathic tendencies.

And you are absolutely right about most being laid back and cooperative. People don’t really understand the connection between human greed and the effects it had in human socialization.

In addition to the myths about “alphas”, people also have a gross misunderstanding of “cave men” behavior in early human society as well. Many have this idea of big dudes knocking chicks over the head and carrying them back to the caves, or constantly killing off weaker individuals to gain sexual access to multiple females.

But hunter-gatherer societies were characterized mostly by egalitarian relationships and small close-knot communities.

Human greed is what drives most of the more violent, selfish aspects of human behavior and that became codified much later in human history after the shift to agrarian societies. Hoarding surplus or greed is the beginning of our economic systems (capitalism vs communism), gender imbalance, poverty, war, and current environmental crisis.

 

[Pirius Black]

Who said we were a monolith breh? I just know what type of black person uses that term Ye shrug.

Not one of those Blavity a$$holes nor do I think some of my hobbies set me apart from other black folk. Plus, isn't the phrase usually the plea copped whenever someone does or says something outside of the mainstream? Just got finished hosting a D&D Zoom night ( I have a black group that plays, we been playing off and on about two years now) if any of y'all brehs are interested. Although we could play Pathfinder if D&D aint ya speed.

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

They don’t teach this shyt in social studies anymore?!
Our schools are failing us.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

Yep. In fact, early human migration and expansion began not due to human desire to conquer others or due to a penchant for violence, but due to humans trying to get away from groups that displayed psychopathic tendencies.

And you are absolutely right about most being laid back and cooperative. People don’t really understand the connection between human greed and the effects it had in human socialization.

In addition to the myths about “alphas”, people also have a gross misunderstanding of “cave men” behavior in early human society as well. Many have this idea of big dudes knocking chicks over the head and carrying them back to the caves, or constantly killing off weaker individuals to gain sexual access to multiple females.

But hunter-gatherer societies were characterized mostly by egalitarian relationships and small close-knot communities.

Human greed is what drives most of the more violent, selfish aspects of human behavior and that became codified much later in human history after the shift to agrarian societies. Hoarding surplus or greed is the beginning of our economic systems (capitalism vs communism), gender imbalance, poverty, war, and current environmental crisis.

society has been set up in a way now that the sociopathic/psychopathic types are at the top of society making decisions while everyone else suffers for it
there is a reason why sociopathic/psychopathic behavior is so glorified now

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

society has been set up in a way now that the sociopathic/psychopathic types are at the top of society making decisions while everyone else suffers
there is a reason why sociopathic/psychopathic behavior is so glorified now

Wall street/banking jobs, elected office, CEOs and police are all jobs that select for psychopathic traits. I’m sure there’s more.