Future just exposed the real battle that’s been brewing. Black woman vs the Exoticals

[Van Cleef]

Lil Wayne said what many black men think out loud, “Beautiful black woman I bet that bytch look better red”

Why can’t we just be honest about this? Dark skinned women can be GORGEOUS and still deal with colorism heavy. Being pretty won’t save you from hatred of your skin color.

Justine Skye is more beautiful than literally every other light brite that’s propped up as “fine” in todays climate but where’s her clout? I see more women praising her than men do and she’s genuinely top tier gorgeous. But Ice Spice gets the worship. Let’s just be real.

Tisha Campbell was supposed to be “the pretty one” even though Tichina was eating her up physically.

A lot of you won’t be honest with yourselves about it but many black males will happily select a mid exotical/light skinned over a gorgeous dark skinned black woman.

women choose men... these gorgeous dark skinned women will choose the best looking, most successful, tallest man.

And the average or ugly men have to just deal with it and don't complain.

 

[Lemons]

And Lil Wayne is an ignorant c00n rapper. You should be more pressed about the political garbage that tumbles out of his mouth than anything.

Justine Skye isn't putting herself out there. Pam's whole deal was that she was mean while Gina was the nice girl which is why her getting fussy was played up as odd and funny. If anything, Gina was sort of portrayed as a naive idiot while Pam as someone who had sense. The fact that simple comedy is going over your head due to this issue speaks to trauma you need to sort out with some therapist than online.

My main issue with this is:
If the concerns were about how colorism directly affects one's access to jobs, healthcare, and so on, I'd be more sympathetic. That's a conversation worth having. That route is dangerous but I'd understand. But the entire focus of this argument has been in regards to dating and even more, using the views of rappers as proof of what the average black man thinks. Think about it: we're equating rappers to regular degular black men. I'd expect that from a white person, not someone who is black. Maybe that's the issue that's the problem.

That said, I sort of understand why the discussion always comes back to black dikk, as opposed to something more concrete: This lets people throw around their experiences as fact instead of providing actual data and numbers. It also allows one to indict black men as the main culprit and creates a stance to attack them, rather than going after any group that would promote whiteness or anything in its periphery as good aka non-black men. It's just another tactic and it is tiresome. It would have more meaning if the main people complaining about it did not have a track record of hating out outright bashing black men or at the very least, making it clear they do not care for black men and prefer or have no issue going with non-black men. The whole thing makes no sense at all going down this road.

But the issue is, none of these things are separate.

The same anti-blackness that allows black men to joyfully exclaim to the world that they prefer women who are NOT black, is the same anti-blackness that affects black people in healthcare, education, and hiring practices. It’s just operating differently. We are addressing how it affects black dating behaviors which is just as important seeing how solid unions are the foundation to every successful society.

You can’t keep spewing “black women are undesirable” music and messaging for years upon years and expect a decrease in anti-blackness in those other fields because everything starts at home. The world sees where black men rank their own women. Why should an outsider respect blackness when they observe us hating it ourselves? There’s no motive to do better because those same outsiders know they are only feeding a belief many of you agree with anyway. There won’t be pushback and they know this.

This is why it is imperative to set a standard.

You keep implying that rappers have different opinions than the average black man and I’m here to tell you that rap is just thoughts of regular black men that get access to a mic. These are regular black men lol. And if they weren’t, y’all wouldn’t be bumping their music nonstop. Y’all would be speaking very vocally about how you disagree. I mean y’all aren’t exactly a quiet demographic when you aren’t happy with something lol. So where’s the pushback from black men when every other rap song incorporates anti-black narratives or visuals? They’re nowhere to be found because black men don’t see it as a black issue, they see it as a black woman issue.

 

[Depreciating Asset]

Almost 150 replies and no one posts the obvious cultural reference:



And yet it's true that even our conditioning has been conditioned. That doesn't make it right but it's true. Studies have shown that young girls in European countries regardless of race grow up picking the light doll with the long hair as "prettier" (I probably misquoted this but I don't feel like looking up the research )

Anyway my job as a father is to try and condition my children differently. I have an aunt in my family who is black but taught her sons negative stereotypes about black women. All of them grew up to be exotical worshippers.

 

[UnQuantized]

And Lil Wayne is an ignorant c00n rapper. You should be more pressed about the political garbage that tumbles out of his mouth than anything.

Justine Skye isn't putting herself out there. Pam's whole deal was that she was mean while Gina was the nice girl which is why her getting fussy was played up as odd and funny. If anything, Gina was sort of portrayed as a naive idiot while Pam as someone who had sense. The fact that simple comedy is going over your head due to this issue speaks to trauma you need to sort out with some therapist than online.

My main issue with this is:
If the concerns were about how colorism directly affects one's access to jobs, healthcare, and so on, I'd be more sympathetic. That's a conversation worth having. That route is dangerous but I'd understand. But the entire focus of this argument has been in regards to dating and even more, using the views of rappers as proof of what the average black man thinks. Think about it: we're equating rappers to regular degular black men. I'd expect that from a white person, not someone who is black. Maybe that's the issue that's the problem.

That said, I sort of understand why the discussion always comes back to black dikk, as opposed to something more concrete: This lets people throw around their experiences as fact instead of providing actual data and numbers. It also allows one to indict black men as the main culprit and creates a stance to attack them, rather than going after any group that would promote whiteness or anything in its periphery as good aka non-black men. It's just another tactic and it is tiresome. It would have more meaning if the main people complaining about it did not have a track record of hating out outright bashing black men or at the very least, making it clear they do not care for black men and prefer or have no issue going with non-black men. The whole thing makes no sense at all going down this road.

Excellent post, articulated my thoughts better than I could on this subject.

 

[High Art]

But the issue is, none of these things are separate.

The same anti-blackness that allows black men to joyfully exclaim to the world that they prefer women who are NOT black, is the same anti-blackness that affects black people in healthcare, education, and hiring practices. It’s just operating differently. We are addressing how it affects black dating behaviors which is just as important seeing how solid unions are the foundation to every successful society.

You can’t keep spewing “black women are undesirable” music and messaging for years upon years and expect a decrease in anti-blackness in those other fields because everything starts at home. The world sees where black men rank their own women. Why should an outsider respect blackness when they observe us hating it ourselves? There’s no motive to do better because those same outsiders know they are only feeding a belief many of you agree with anyway. There won’t be pushback and they know this.

This is why it is imperative to set a standard.

You keep implying that rappers have different opinions than the average black man and I’m here to tell you that rap is just thoughts of regular black men that get access to a mic. These are regular black men lol. And if they weren’t, y’all wouldn’t be bumping their music nonstop. Y’all would be speaking very vocally about how you disagree. I mean y’all aren’t exactly a quiet demographic when you aren’t happy with something lol. So where’s the pushback from black men when every other rap song incorporates anti-black narratives or visuals? They’re nowhere to be found because black men don’t see it as a black issue, they see it as a black woman issue.

And again, you're conflating shytty rappers with all black men. You keep saying these rappers are the opinions of regular black men. Then ignore songs where black male rappers, singers, poets authors, and athletes and nearly any other kind of celebrity speaks well of black women and dark skinned women. This thread literally has one commenting favorably in Future with Drake being a mixed guy favoring exoticals yet still, black men are still being attacked. This is what I'm talking about:
When it is something bad, then the act of one black man reflects on all black men. When it is something good, it goes completely ignored. They don't even get the benefit of it being put on that individual. As I've said before, shyt is wild.

And there is plenty of pushback from black men. But it is never enough for a lot of y'all. The worst part is, much of the people buying the same music you deride are black women (and white men, funny that). Where were black women to be angry with Kamala Harris for inviting Lil Wayne to her birthday party? A lot of the outrage seemed to be from black men than anything. In any case, I'm convinced a lot of y'all will not be happy until we start beheading people on some radical islam shyt. The manner in which blackness and black women are approached by some here is akin to a cult. It is very weird.

Ignorant rappers are evidence of black men but this is what, exactly, a white man? If y'all don't stop

 

[kingofnyc]

there are posters like @kingofnyc getting call nikka' by dudes that look like John Leguizamo and Tru Life all because he craves for latinas p*ssy. smh
mind you he looks down on brehs who date asian. as if carribean latinas don't worship whiteness

why do u keep lying … and … more importantly, why do i stay rent free in your head

 

[Lemons]

And again, you're conflating shytty rappers with all black men. You keep saying these rappers are the opinions of regular black men. Then ignore songs where black male rappers, singers, poets authors, and athletes and nearly any other kind of celebrity speaks well of black women and dark skinned women. This thread literally has one commenting favorably in Future with Drake being a mixed guy favoring exoticals yet still, black men are still being attacked. This is what I'm talking about:
When it is something bad, then the act of one black man reflects on all black men. When it is something good, it goes completely ignored. They don't even get the benefit of it being put on that individual. As I've said before, shyt is wild.

And there is plenty of pushback from black men. But it is never enough for a lot of y'all. The worst part is, much of the people buying the same music you deride are black women (and white men, funny that). Where were black women to be angry with Kamala Harris for inviting Lil Wayne to her birthday party? A lot of the outrage seemed to be from black men than anything. In any case, I'm convinced a lot of y'all will not be happy until we start beheading people on some radical islam shyt. The manner in which blackness and black women are approached by some here is akin to a cult. It is very weird.

Ignorant rappers are evidence of black men but this is what, exactly, a white man? If y'all don't stop

My very first comment in this thread was acknowledging Future for being one of the few black men with a large audience to consistently flex black women. Nobody ignores black men who do that, they are not as common as the alternative so of course there will be less conversation about it.

Anyway, optics are important. You know how many people, including several of you on this site, are saying Indian men have terrible PR right now as a group? All the videos showing Indian men assaulting women, abusing kids, eating dirty food etc has firmly painted an image of backwards, dirty ingrates. No amount of “not every Indian man behaves like that” will change the optics of their group.

Now let’s look at the optics of black males, as a group. I won’t get into it specifically, but there is an under current of self-hatred that the general public is privy to. The whole, “he’ll leave you for a white woman as soon as he can” narrative has been standard for like 30 years now. These are the optics black men have created for themselves as a group. It is what it is. But it’s reality. You can’t get mad at me for referencing rappers when entertainment is where black artists are greatly over represented and proudly push their preferences. The world sees and hears exactly what y’all desire. Nobody forced that narrative onto y’all, you’ve done it yourselves.

And this also feeds into the “black women are jealous of latinas/white women” narrative that y’all so readily push as well. Again, look at the first page of the guy giddy to observe the black dancers upset that they weren’t invited to party with the nonblack women. Y’all help push these narratives and then try to say “well not all of us are like that” “most black men love black women” “y’all put too much clout into rappers”

Meanwhile all these narratives have real life implications for all of us, and none of them good.

A white woman is going viral for tweeting this and black men are responding by attacking black women. And yet y’all claim it’s mostly rappers. Lol.

she said “as a yt woman, i’m not dating a man who has deep self hatred for his people. you don’t respect ur granny, mama, or sisters enough to not make corny ass racial remarks, but i’m supposed to respect you?

dating a man like this makes you equally anti black and complicit in his BS.”

https://x.com/00drose/status/1771284714181038572?s=46&t=rPLI2sTDNf_8R8lnnDWElw

 

[kingofnyc]

But the issue is, none of these things are separate.

The same anti-blackness that allows black men to joyfully exclaim to the world that they prefer women who are NOT black, is the same anti-blackness that affects black people in healthcare, education, and hiring practices. It’s just operating differently. We are addressing how it affects black dating behaviors which is just as important seeing how solid unions are the foundation to every successful society.

You can’t keep spewing “black women are undesirable” music and messaging for years upon years and expect a decrease in anti-blackness in those other fields because everything starts at home. The world sees where black men rank their own women. Why should an outsider respect blackness when they observe us hating it ourselves? There’s no motive to do better because those same outsiders know they are only feeding a belief many of you agree with anyway. There won’t be pushback and they know this.

This is why it is imperative to set a standard.

You keep implying that rappers have different opinions than the average black man and I’m here to tell you that rap is just thoughts of regular black men that get access to a mic. These are regular black men lol. And if they weren’t, y’all wouldn’t be bumping their music nonstop. Y’all would be speaking very vocally about how you disagree. I mean y’all aren’t exactly a quiet demographic when you aren’t happy with something lol. So where’s the pushback from black men when every other rap song incorporates anti-black narratives or visuals? They’re nowhere to be found because black men don’t see it as a black issue, they see it as a black woman issue.

can i ask u a question ?

what are u

1. Caribbean/West Indies woman
2. African woman
3. ADOS/FBA woman

 

[Lemons]

can i ask u a question ?

what are u

1. Caribbean/West Indies woman
2. African woman
3. ADOS/FBA woman

I am Black American

 

[kingofnyc]

I am Black American

that’s interesting because the rhetoric that you’re spewing usually doesn’t come from Black American women … It comes from outsiders
well, unless you‘re a late millennial / GEN Z

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Literally spun this up from nothing and got a whole thread of stereotypes poppin, smh

 

[KidJSoul]

Thanks again for the honesty.


Why do you think it’s so hard for other brehs to openly admit/share this?

Because the online sisterhood never leaves it at that.

They'll take it further

They'll shyt on all BM for being colorists and ignore the amount of BM that date and wife up brown and dark brown women

if they see a BM with a medium or dark brown skin woman, they'll find a way to make it not count ("she has eurocentric features! ")

They even attack the black woman for being with a "dusty bm" and wish she dated a WM.

Sometimes they actually call the dark brown BW ugly! There's women that do this if a BM dates a non-light skin BW that isn't a 10/10. Look at how they reacted to Yahya Abdul-Mateen II eith his girlfriend. All types of nasty comments

Lastly - they ignore or even celebrate BW that are colorist (Think of BW that want mixed children with "good hair") or that date WM ("you go sis! Explore your options!")

They hate being criticized for having preferences (men are not entitled to women!) but want to criticize us

Also... think of how when BW use the "medium ugly" label and "dusty" label
... they are always using it on darker skin BM


Basically - Either way BM can't win. So we just disengage when we realize it's 95%
likely we are talking to someone who doesn't like us anyway.

It's hard to own up to your "faults" when the people talking about you are guilty of the same thing themselves.



You know this. Why is it hard for you to openly admit/share this?

 

[High Art]

My very first comment in this thread was acknowledging Future for being one of the few black men with a large audience to consistently flex black women. Nobody ignores black men who do that, they are not as common as the alternative so of course there will be less conversation about it.

But they are common. You and people like you are the ones trying to make it seem uncommon. This is actually what I was talking about. The very rappers that you speak of make up a small portion of black music as a whole. Compared to the entirety of black music, there are a smaller number of these more toxic kind of rappers yet you pay more attention to them and many black woman go out of their way to pay more attention and fund more of these rappers than other artists, especially more positive ones. Then you turn around and complain. In reality, you're mad that those toxic rappers aren't catering to you specifically. That's weird.

Anyway, optics are important. You know how many people, including several of you on this site, are saying Indian men have terrible PR right now as a group? All the videos showing Indian men assaulting women, abusing kids, eating dirty food etc has firmly painted an image of backwards, dirty ingrates. No amount of “not every Indian man behaves like that” will change the optics of their group.

By that logic, black women are loud angry weave-wearing attitude-having welfare queens and such an image is right to exist, no amount of "not every black woman behaves/is like that" will change the optics of their group. This is why I keep comparing you guys to white supremacists. You utilize the same logic they use, which is "stereotypes exist for a reason" mentality but then cry foul when it used against you.

Now let’s look at the optics of black males, as a group. I won’t get into it specifically, but there is an under current of self-hatred that the general public is privy to.

No, there isn't actually. This is something you've conjured up yourself. The idea of a black man with a black woman would be shocking but it is not. The idea of the militant black man is something that is not based in self-hatred. The idea of the regular degular black male is not one based in self-hatred, yet it seems like people like you continue to push it.

The whole, “he’ll leave you for a white woman as soon as he can” narrative has been standard for like 30 years now.

But it's not true, the same way not every black guy is good at basketball. Literal fukking stats show this to be false. Then again, if we subscribe to your idea of stereotypes existing for a reason, the question then becomes, why did he leave? Why do you assume it is self hate? If there is truth in stereotypes and black women have a stereotype of being difficult and having attitude, and so on, maybe he got tired of all of that and the dysfunction that goes with it. Again, this is why stereotypes are dangerous because it almost always blows up in your face.

These are the optics black men have created for themselves as a group.

Because black men have such full control over all media. It has nothing to do with many other groups working against them. Goodness gracious.

So I keep finding that I have to explain the issues of racism and how this can cause problems for black people, and overall history lessons on the black community, especially in regards to black men on this website. I ask anyone to look through my post history where I have had to do this and check the race and gender of the person I am talking to and arguing with in each instance. You will notice a trend that keeps occurring over and over and over and over again and quite frankly, it is fukking telling. Holy shyt.

It is what it is. But it’s reality. You can’t get mad at me for referencing rappers when entertainment is where black artists are greatly over represented and proudly push their preferences. The world sees and hears exactly what y’all desire. Nobody forced that narrative onto y’all, you’ve done it yourselves.

I'm not mad. It is still a stupid idea and tactic because it is still judging a majority by a minority that is far from how that actual majority actually thinks and acts. It becomes even stupider when taking other black men from other countries into account as well. Lil Wayne is no different than Okwonko in the middle of Nigeria according to you. That's stupid. Lil Wayne, a whole street dude, is the same as a regular square. Again, that's stupid. No amount of juelzing will undo that but again, if we can judge black men by that metric, the metric in which we judge black women is even less flattering. This is what you are trying to do to yourself.

And this also feeds into the “black women are jealous of latinas/white women” narrative that y’all so readily push as well. Again, look at the first page of the guy giddy to observe the black dancers upset that they weren’t invited to party with the nonblack women. Y’all help push these narratives and then try to say “well not all of us are like that” “most black men love black women” “y’all put too much clout into rappers”

Ah, so if it is a negative narrative on black women, then it is pushed by someone else? It has nothing to do with something you and your group created or did to yourselves? Goodness gracious. It feels like I'm talking to sociopath. Nothing is ever black women's fault. It's all black men's fault.

Meanwhile all these narratives have real life implications for all of us, and none of them good.

The funny part is, you and women like you are doing the most to ensure these narratives endure. Pushing this idea that it is right and okay to judge a group by a small number is one that most don't subscribe to and why even the most ardent racists get flustered by this idea and have to talk in circles to even make the idea sort of palatable to people and here you are trying to normalize just so you can attack black men and make it easier for others to do so unfairly.

A white girl is going viral for tweeting this and black men are responding by attacking black women. Literally nobody’s surprised. And yet y’all claim it’s mostly rappers. Lol.

https://x.com/00drose/status/1771284714181038572?s=46&t=rPLI2sTDNf_8R8lnnDWElw

I want everyone to notice something: Look throughout @Lemons posts in this thread and check how many times she blames either white people, white supremacy, white men, or any other non-black group and then compare that to how many times she blames black men for all of this.

In any case, I called it earlier:

But if we look at is as a big rampant problem, it is because too many people treat the issue as an original sin put on that person or group and seek to indict and punish that person disproportionately rather than seeking to find and and tackle the root of the very system that, often by their own admission, is the true cause of it. Don't believe me? If we blame white supremacy as the cause of this issue, as we often rightfully do, why is my post one of, if not the first one mentioning it in all the posts in this thread? My point exactly. This is why some have a hard time taking it seriously in the first place.

Still haven't seen any of these people comment on white supremacy. Rappers = black men, without exception according to a black woman.

 

[IWasntMadeToPlayTheSon]

Lol can we get back to the jokes?

Just ran the future album back and bro said :

“She Spanish, she can’t call me papi, I make her call me dad!”

 

[Tair]

Literally spun this up from nothing and got a whole thread of stereotypes poppin, smh

OP is a troublemaker.