Fu*k Captain Marvel Carol Danvers

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Exactly. What will happen to their movies if they don't keep their source material alive. Look at the last X-Men movie... people hate it. Fox doesn't follow the comics, and it feel apart. But X-men comics have been rebooted so much, does it matter? Why kill the Hulk, I get his movies didn't go off but he's probably the second or third most popular character historically. Marvel needs to refocus and go back to roots.


I didn't even think New 52 was as bad as this. Nuperman was never given a chance from the outset by older fans.

Nah, it was everything else.

It's one thing to soft reboot, which DC does every 5-10 years. Cool.

But to throw 75 years of history away and replace it with sorry ass recreations of characters with different history?


DC changed it back with the quickness.

I was disappointed....I really liked new 52 JLA and the push Shazam got.... The more cold Superman and the love with WW is the best Superman in years to me. Ah well.

 

[FLATOP]

Watch the live reaction to the MvCI reveal. All cheers til Carol shows up

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Watch the live reaction to the MvCI reveal. All cheers til Carol shows up

She will probably be shin bison x onslaught x mech akuma x geese Howard x god rugal all combined with Capcom vs Tatsunoko boss HP.

 

[parallax]

Oh yeah, how have they ruined all the other characters? Like:
Cap
Ironman
Black Widow
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
Hawkeye
Nova
Hulk etc.

Don't have to comment on them all just generally speaking if you can. Thanks.

Cap

honestly, both caps are thriving now. hydra cap and captain falcon are good takes. i really wish they would bring bucky cap back, or at least make him the next citizen V

Ironman

iron man has been stagnant for a while. theyve been trying hard to keep him at rdj likeable levels but they keep having him lapse into pre movie fukkery levels with no way of knowing how to walk him back

Black Widow

shes gotten a lot of shine since the movie, and a lot of spy books, which is right up her alley. unfortunately with her shining, the other black widow pretty much doesnt exist anymore.

Dr. Strange

hes getting a lot more focus on his character as of late, but it really feels like they are trying to turn him into the next stark, but with magic

Black Panther

i havent been feeling his current run since secret wars ended, and i dropped it at the 5th issue. theyve been trying hard at making him look bytchmade, and im not feeling any of that shyt

Hawkeye

im not feeling hawkeye like i used to. i like him as a cocky sharpshooter, but it seems theyre trying to make kate seem like the better hawkeye by having him come off as incompetent at times.

Nova

got shyt on HEAVILY due to both replacing richard ryder and the entire nova corps, but also being a testament to a grieving mans dead son( and for being a complete shyt in his first appearance in a cartoon) but as time as come, hes mostly seen as a suffering kid who misses his dad and seems to be ignored by most heroes. he could have had a good thing with doc green, but thats done, and now rich nova is back in some capacity, but mose are expecting a heel turn

Hulk

first there were too many damn hulks along the green/red spectrum with varying modes of powers, now theres a few. the problem with the character is that noone seems to know what to do with the hulks, so they generally just exist to shut things down. doc green was a great take on the character but they threw that away

 

[the next guy]

I was disappointed....I really liked new 52 JLA and the push Shazam got.... The more cold Superman and the love with WW is the best Superman in years to me. Ah well.

I loved New 52 Shazam. He was everything in the Justice League comics and he did pretty well against superman in their only. I wish he got his own twice monthly. His movie will do well, hopefully that gets him put back in the mix.

The heroic age, GTFOH

At least when DC reboots its a dope ass event event like flashpoint or final crisis.

New 52 Shazam >>>> fake Captain marvel

All the DC reboots have had a purpose, or an event. Marvel reboots because of poor sales. Tells you about the quality.

 

[datnigDASTARDLY]

Nova

got shyt on HEAVILY due to both replacing richard ryder and the entire nova corps, but also being a testament to a grieving mans dead son( and for being a complete shyt in his first appearance in a cartoon) but as time as come, hes mostly seen as a suffering kid who misses his dad and seems to be ignored by most heroes. he could have had a good thing with doc green, but thats done, and now rich nova is back in some capacity, but mose are expecting a heel turn.

bruh if they fukk up Nova and don't restore him to dna greatness I think I'm done with marvel for a minute

 

[Red Shield]

Carol Danvers got a thread with 164 posts in it.

Blame Bendis

I do.

Dude stayed taking fan favorites and messing with them.

Like The Hood, Noh-varr, Squirrel Girl although it didn't stick...

 

[Red Shield]

Yep, but it seems like Marvel has absolutely no substantive story to tell apart from Ewing. Beyond the much needed diversity push, wtf is going on? Dat damn Bendis making another useless ass story in CW2, they can't handle an easy ass property with Inhumans, continually fukking up with Danvers after a decade, she got war machine killed for no good reason, and they butchered the Avengers.

What the hell happened after Secret Wars and the homerun Hickman left them with ?

Marvel ain't the same man.

The yearly events that really have no long build up and constant reboots..


Hickman left them with one helluva opportunity. They squandered it

 

[parallax]

I do.

Dude stayed taking fan favorites and messing with them.

Like The Hood, Noh-varr, Squirrel Girl although it didn't stick...

he ruined wanda. she still has recovered

 

[23Barrettcity]

He's ok in small doses. You get him on team books or headlining events then its all over

He's good with grounded characters and characters who continuity can be played with . Anything else :Camby: gives no fukk about characters past history And will write them to fit his story no matter how it contradicts

 

[23Barrettcity]

She can't even outsell spidergwen....Legit laughed at that

Is she outselling gwenpoole?

 

[23Barrettcity]

Oh yeah, how have they ruined all the other characters? Like:
Cap
Ironman
Black Widow
Dr. Strange
Black Panther
Hawkeye
Nova
Hulk etc.

Don't have to comment on them all just generally speaking if you can. Thanks.

Nova? They had to revive Richard Ryder cause sam Alexander isn't taking off . Those other characters?cap acted a fool In a vs x and iron man was a facist in civil war. Hawkeye was in a critically acclaimed book with fraction writing it , occupy avengers ? Meh. Hulks dead.

 

[the next guy]

Cap

honestly, both caps are thriving now. hydra cap and captain falcon are good takes. i really wish they would bring bucky cap back, or at least make him the next citizen V

Ironman

iron man has been stagnant for a while. theyve been trying hard to keep him at rdj likeable levels but they keep having him lapse into pre movie fukkery levels with no way of knowing how to walk him back

Black Widow

shes gotten a lot of shine since the movie, and a lot of spy books, which is right up her alley. unfortunately with her shining, the other black widow pretty much doesnt exist anymore.

Dr. Strange

hes getting a lot more focus on his character as of late, but it really feels like they are trying to turn him into the next stark, but with magic

Black Panther

i havent been feeling his current run since secret wars ended, and i dropped it at the 5th issue. theyve been trying hard at making him look bytchmade, and im not feeling any of that shyt

Hawkeye

im not feeling hawkeye like i used to. i like him as a cocky sharpshooter, but it seems theyre trying to make kate seem like the better hawkeye by having him come off as incompetent at times.

Nova

got shyt on HEAVILY due to both replacing richard ryder and the entire nova corps, but also being a testament to a grieving mans dead son( and for being a complete shyt in his first appearance in a cartoon) but as time as come, hes mostly seen as a suffering kid who misses his dad and seems to be ignored by most heroes. he could have had a good thing with doc green, but thats done, and now rich nova is back in some capacity, but mose are expecting a heel turn

Hulk

first there were too many damn hulks along the green/red spectrum with varying modes of powers, now theres a few. the problem with the character is that noone seems to know what to do with the hulks, so they generally just exist to shut things down. doc green was a great take on the character but they threw that away

I don't like steve rogers or the Hulk right now....DC would never do to Clark what Marvel has done to Cap.


Hulk has no buzzz... Admadeus Cho, has he taken off?

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

Is she outselling gwenpoole?

Let's look at November.

This is gonna be ugly.




Comic-book Title Issue Price Publisher Est. sales
1 Batman 10 $2.99 DC 120,901
2 Batman 11 $2.99 DC 116,690
3 Civil War II 7 $4.99 Marvel 116,447
4 All Star Batman 4 $4.99 DC 99,064
5 Invincible Iron Man 1 $3.99 Marvel 97,713
6 Amazing Spider-Man Renew Your Vows 1 $4.99 Marvel 96,111
7 Batman Annual 1 $4.99 DC 91,033
8 Venom 1 $3.99 Marvel 90,138
9 Walking Dead 160 $2.99 Image 88,367
10 IVX 0 $4.99 Marvel 84,181
11 Avengers 1 $4.99 Marvel 81,885
12 Justice League 8 $2.99 DC 80,696
13 Justice League 9 $2.99 DC 77,905
14 Batman TMNT Adventures 1* $3.99 IDW 75,974
15 Star Wars 25 $4.99 Marvel 75,234
16 Detective Comics 944 $2.99 DC 71,923
17 Flash 10 $2.99 DC 70,681
18 Unworthy Thor 1 $3.99 Marvel 70,424
19 Detective Comics 945 $2.99 DC 69,942
20 Flash 11 $2.99 DC 68,304
21 Superman 10 $2.99 DC 66,956
22 Superman 11 $2.99 DC 63,686
23 Amazing Spider-Man 21 $3.99 Marvel 63,052
24 Suicide Squad 6 $2.99 DC 61,973
25 Wonder Woman 10 $2.99 DC 60,815
26 Star Wars Annual 2 $4.99 Marvel 59,490
27 Suicide Squad 7 $2.99 DC 59,452
28 Clone Conspiracy 2 $3.99 Marvel 58,921
29 Star Wars Han Solo 5 $3.99 Marvel 58,762
30 Wonder Woman 11 $2.99 DC 58,692
31 Trinity 3 $2.99 DC 58,253
32 Ghost Rider 1 $4.99 Marvel 57,843
33 Black Panther World of Wakanda 1 $4.99 Marvel 57,073
34 Harley Quinn 7 $2.99 DC 56,878
35 Nightwing 8 $2.99 DC 56,091
36 Thanos 1 $3.99 Marvel 54,768
37 Harley Quinn 8 $2.99 DC 54,111
38 Death of X 3 $3.99 Marvel 53,583
39 Nightwing 9 $2.99 DC 52,984
40 Teen Titans 2 $2.99 DC 52,877
41 Titans 5 $2.99 DC 52,511
42 Amazing Spider-Man Annual 1 $4.99 Marvel 52,184
43 Spider-Man Deadpool 11 $3.99 Marvel 51,278
44 Action Comics 967 $2.99 DC 50,611
45 Death of X 4 $3.99 Marvel 50,329
46 Superman Annual 1 $4.99 DC 49,748
47 Champions 2 $3.99 Marvel 49,733
48 Action Comics 968 $2.99 DC 48,931
49 Captain America Steve Rogers 7 $3.99 Marvel 48,505
50 Green Lanterns 10 $2.99 DC 46,306
51 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 8 $2.99 DC 45,194
52 Saga 40 $2.99 Image 44,944
53 Green Lanterns 11 $2.99 DC 44,703
54 Old Man Logan 13 $3.99 Marvel 43,609
55 Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps 9 $2.99 DC 43,485
56 Black Panther 8 $3.99 Marvel 43,451
57 Green Arrow 10 $2.99 DC 43,355
58 Star Wars Poe Dameron 8 $3.99 Marvel 43,034
59 Old Man Logan 14 $3.99 Marvel 42,574
60 Green Arrow 11 $2.99 DC 41,576
61 Reborn 2 $3.99 Image 41,484
62 Batman Beyond 2 $2.99 DC 41,313
63 Avengers 1.1 $3.99 Marvel 41,258
64 Mother Panic 1* $3.99 DC 40,990
65 Infamous Iron Man 2 $3.99 Marvel 40,225
66 Aquaman 10 $2.99 DC 39,816
67 Justice League of America 10 $3.99 DC 39,766
68 Spider-Man 9 $3.99 Marvel 39,701
69 Deadpool Back In Black 3 $3.99 Marvel 39,509
70 Doctor Strange 14 $3.99 Marvel 39,390
71 Mighty Thor 13 $3.99 Marvel 39,274
72 Deadpool 22 $3.99 Marvel 38,630
73 Occupy Avengers 1 $3.99 Marvel 38,400
74 Aquaman 11 $2.99 DC 38,109
75 Supergirl 3 $2.99 DC 37,316
76 Deathstroke 6 $2.99 DC 37,177
77 Uncanny X-Men 15 $3.99 Marvel 36,946
78 Jessica Jones 2 $3.99 Marvel 36,893
79 Red Hood and the Outlaws 4 $2.99 DC 36,740
80 Deathstroke 7 $2.99 DC 35,782
81 All New Wolverine 14 $3.99 Marvel 35,437
82 Uncanny X-Men Annual 1 $4.99 Marvel 35,354
83 Batgirl 5 $2.99 DC 35,210
84 Ultimates 2 1 $3.99 Marvel 34,646
85 Extraordinary X-Men 16 $3.99 Marvel 34,630
86 Daredevil 13 $3.99 Marvel 33,910
87 Deadpool Back in Black 4 $3.99 Marvel 33,457
88 Star Wars Force Awakens Adaptation 6 $3.99 Marvel 33,455
89 Harbinger Renegade 1* $3.99 Valiant 33,197
90 Batgirl and the Birds of Prey 4 $2.99 DC 33,138
91 Uncanny Avengers 16 $3.99 Marvel 32,854
92 Moon Knight 8 $3.99 Marvel 32,562
93 Mosaic 2 $3.99 Marvel 31,767
94 All New X-Men 15 $3.99 Marvel 31,668
95 Ad After Death Book 1
$5.99 Image 30,626
96 Doom Patrol 3* $3.99 DC 30,140
97 Superwoman 4 $2.99 DC 30,070
98 All New X-Men Annual 1 $4.99 Marvel 29,634
99 Doctor Strange Sorcerers Supreme 2 $3.99 Marvel 29,349
100 Great Lakes Avengers 2 $3.99 Marvel 29,273
101 Spider-Gwen 14 $3.99 Marvel 28,906
102 Hellblazer 4 $2.99 DC 28,882
103 Guardians of the Galaxy 14 $3.99 Marvel 28,405
104 Cyborg 4 $2.99 DC 28,303
105 Foolkiller 1 $3.99 Marvel 28,237
106 Seven To Eternity 3 $3.99 Image 26,669
107 Deadpool and Mercs For Money 5 $3.99 Marvel 26,591
108 Cyborg 5 $2.99 DC 25,772
109 New Super Man 5 $2.99 DC 25,378
110 Blue Beetle 3 $2.99 DC 25,300
111 Deadpool Too Soon 2 $4.99 Marvel 24,915
112 Gwenpool 8 $3.99 Marvel 24,395
113 Serenity No Power In The Verse 2 $3.99 Dark Horse 24,186
114 Uncanny Inhumans 15 $3.99 Marvel 23,798
115 Ms Marvel 13 $3.99 Marvel 23,621 (again, Kamala Khan is hotter on the streets)
116 Catwoman Election Night 1 $4.99 DC 23,561
117 Kill or Be Killed 4 $3.99 Image 22,889
118 Cage 2 $3.99 Marvel 22,647
119 New Avengers 18 $3.99 Marvel 22,522
120 Totally Awesome Hulk 12 $3.99 Marvel 22,448
121 Super Powers 1 $2.99 DC 22,282
122 Captain America Sam Wilson 15 $3.99 Marvel 22,006
123 He Man Thundercats 2 $3.99 DC 21,991
124 Scooby Apocalypse 7 $3.99 DC 21,983
125 Black Widow 8 $3.99 Marvel 20,947
126 Uncanny Inhumans 16 $3.99 Marvel 20,318
127 Mighty Morphin Power Rangers 9 $3.99 Boom 20,298
128 Moonshine 2 $2.99 Image 20,217
129 Cave Carson Has a Cybernetic Eye 2* $3.99 DC 20,096
130 Power Man and Iron Fist 10 $3.99 Marvel 19,934
131 Future Quest 7 $3.99 DC 19,910
132 Captain Marvel 10 $4.99 Marvel 19,893
133 Betty & Veronica 2 $3.99 Archie 19,794

She only outsold the Archie comics TIER THREE book by 100 COPIES.

She is NOT popular. Ice cold. Other heroines are murdering her in sales.

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I want to point something out...

I bolded certain comics to outline something:

The backlash IS NOT because she is a woman, or that she is new-ish....Other heroines are selling, including super powered ones like Supergirl and WW

Look at this, TPB sales for November, it's very telling

Trade Paperback title
Price Publisher Est. sales
1 Paper Girls Vol. 2 $12.99 Image 10,480
2 Marvel Hip Hop Covers HC Vol. 1 $34.99 Marvel 10,041
3 DC Super Hero Girls Vol. 2 Hits and Myths $9.99 DC 6,296
4 Star Wars Darth Vader Vol. 4 End of Games $19.99 Marvel 5,691
5 Unbelievable Gwenpool Vol. 1 Believe It $16.99 Marvel 5,310
6 Sandman Overture $19.99 DC 4,677
7 DC Universe Rebirth Deluxe Edition HC $17.99 DC 4,174
8 Vision Vol. 2 Little Better Than Beast $17.99 Marvel 4,115
9 Moon Knight Vol. 1 Lunatic $15.99 Marvel 3,742
10 Deadpool V Gambit V Is For Vs $16.99 Marvel 3,473
11 Monstress Vol. 1 $9.99 Image 3,431
12 LCSD 2016 DC Universe Rebirth Deluxe Edition HC $17.99 DC 3,252
13 One Punch Man Vol. 9 $9.99 Viz 3,144
14 Hulk World War Hulk $24.99 Marvel 3,099
15 Wolverine Old Man Logan $29.99 Marvel 3,027
16 New Suicide Squad Vol. 4 Kill Anything $16.99 DC 2,958
17 LCSD 2016 Doctor Strange Oath Exclusive HC $39.99 Marvel 2,782
18 Flash Vol. 8 Zoom $17.99 DC 2,724
19 Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars $34.99 Marvel 2,597
20 Justice League Darkseid War Power of the Gods $16.99 DC 2,553
21 Nailbiter Vol. 5 Bound By Blood $14.99 Image 2,515
22 Deadpool & Cable Ultimate Collection Book 1 $39.99 Marvel 2,482
23 Captain America Winter Soldier Ultimate Collection $24.99 Marvel 2,450
24 Amazing Spider-Man Worldwide Vol. 3 $17.99 Marvel 2,437
25 Batman Dark Knight Returns Collectors Edition Box Set $49.99 DC 2,422
26 Paper Girls Vol. 1 $9.99 Image 2,421
27 Saga Vol. 6 $14.99 Image 2,388
28 Unbeatable Squirrel Girl Vol. 4 I Kissed Squirrel Liked It $15.99 Marvel 2,387
29 Saga Vol. 1 $9.99 Image 2,366
30 Multiversity $29.99 DC 2,327
31 Legend of Zelda Legendary Ed Vol. 1 Ocarina Time 17.99 Viz 2,230
32 Astonishing X-Men Whedon Cassaday Ult Coll Book 1 $29.99 Marvel 2,138
33 Art of DC Comics Bombshells HC $39.99 DC 2,110
34 Walking Dead Vol. 1 Days Gone Bye $14.99 Image 2,103
35 Deadly Hands of Kung Fu Omnibus HC Vol. 1 $125.00 Marvel 2,064
36 Civil War II Amazing Spider-Man $15.99 Marvel 2,058
37 DC Comics Dark Horse Comics Justice League Vol. 1 $24.99 DC 2,015
38 Spider-Man Blue $19.99 Marvel 1,983
39 Gotham Academy Vol. 3 Yearbook $16.99 DC 1,929
40 Batman Detective Comics Vol. 8 Blood of Heroes 17.99 DC 1,887
41 Klaus HC $34.99 Boom 1,829
42 Tank Girl 2 Girls 1 Tank $14.99 Titan 1,799

There is clearly a very real desire for comics starring women...3 of the top five star women, that's amazing. Movies should succeed in this space too.

But I don't see this working and it's all about Danvers, she is terrible and is also why Civil War II wasn't hitting like that. I LEGITIMATELY believe a total joke Squirrel Girl movie would be better recieved...A solo black widow also would be.